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Title: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 05, 2009, 01:57:50 PM
Hi, everybody! 

I'm considering putting together a very combat-heavy SHUA mod.  My question is (and making no promises):  Are there any supervillains that you'd like to fight that aren't already found in SHUA? 

There might be room for an overlooked superhero cameo, or two, in the mod, as well.  So, feel free to put in a plug for a superhero who didn't make the SHUA Worldhack, as well. 

Extra no-prize points for supervillains not from Marvel or DC.   ;)

Until the future,

hans.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 05, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Is there a list of villains who are found in SHUA? I don't want to suggest ones that are already in the game.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 05, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
I looked up the gallery at corhub, and I didn't find these villains there, so I assume they're not in SHUA.

Some ideas:


Joker from Batman (this one's obvious)

Violator from Spawn

Black Adam from Captain Marvel

Captain Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nazi)

Mr. Mxyzptlk from Superman

Solomon Grundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Grundy_(comics))

Flat Top from Dick Tracy

Ozymandias from Watchmen

Syndrome from The Incredibles
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 05, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
Ah yes, and I want to fight Galactus and Darkseid, with my bare fists!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 05, 2009, 04:27:34 PM
Some more:

Shredder from the Ninja Turtles

Killer Moth from Batman

Ra's al Ghul from Batman

Bane from Batman

Gorilla Grodd from The Flash

Rastapopoulos from Tintin

And the most awesome of them all... Mr. Polka-Dot:






Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 05, 2009, 04:54:24 PM
And here's the guy that nologgie suggested on the mailing list:

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 05, 2009, 11:41:29 PM
Is there a list of villains who are found in SHUA? I don't want to suggest ones that are already in the game.

Here they are, first the Villains:

Two-Face
Anaconda
Antron
Arcade
Avalanche
Abomination
Apocalypse
Bane
Beetle
Blob
Black Queen
Black Tom
Bullseye
Captain Boomerang
Catwoman
Bushmaster
Centauria
Deadpool
Doc Ock
Carnage
Killer Croc
Doctor Doom
Darkseid
Galactus
Gladiator
Destiny
Dog Soldier
Hobgoblin
Dark Phoenix
Electro
Green Goblin
Armored Goon
Henchman
Cameron Hodge
Hydroman
Iron Cross
Juggernaut
Kang
Jack-O-Lantern
Kraven
Kree
Lilandra
Baron Karza
Magneto
Man-Bat
Power Ring Fist
Mastermind
Mister Sinister
Kingpin
Mysterio
Leland
Owl
Master Man
Membros
White Queen
Professor Zoom
Pierce
Red Skull
Pyro
Reaper
Repto
Rhino
Rigellian
Scorpion
Sabretooth
Prince Shaitan
Shaw
Shocker
Dreadnaught
Madam Masque
Sentinel
Crimson Dynamo
Toad
Taskmaster
Thug
Thanos
Venom
Titanium Man
Wendigo
Zemo
Vulture
Warrior Woman
Whirlwind
Viper

And now some more Villains:

Chameleon
The Brain
Leader
Modok
Plasmus
Skrull
Clayface
Morg
Dog Soldier Commander
Crossbones
Agent Axis
Baron Blood
U-Man
Mephisto
Monsieur Mallah
Dormammu
Paste Pot Pete
Dracula
R'as Al Ghul
Joker
Poison Ivy
Penguin
Mr. Freeze
Riddler
Scarecrow
Star Sapphire

And finally the Heroes:

Jean Grey
Archangel
Azrael
Bishop
Cyclops
Black Canary
Colossus
Captain America
Daredevil
Flash
Superman
Green Lantern
Spider-Man
Storm
Batgirl
Nightwing
Batman
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 06, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
This mod will sorta be an experiment to help me understand what good combat balance is in SHUA when a player makes their own PCs.  After I understand that better, I hope to do something more ambitious in the future. 

So, this mod will be combat heavy, with hardly any story, something akin to a stripped-down dungeon crawl.  To make it more interesting for players, tho, I figure to add lots of new art and use characters they haven't fought before. 

I've been impressed in the past by authors who have used MidPics, like Nol, Harri Polsa, and Devon7.  It's been something I've wanted to experiment with for a long time, and I figure this is a perfect opportunity for that.   

Also, I've been wanting to try my hand at converting comicbook images into UA.  I hope to use a range of styles, from old school, to painting, and modern computer-colored. 

I've altered the SHUA Frame to accomodate some 124x124 pics.  Below is an example.  Click to enlarge.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on November 06, 2009, 11:36:24 AM
That looks great!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 06, 2009, 12:21:35 PM
Yeah, Bainiac!

Is SHUA like OAUA, do you have to install UA again with this hack?

Here they are, first the Villains:

Bane
Darkseid
Galactus
R'as Al Ghul
Joker

Okay, these can be deleted from my suggestions, if they're already in the game.

But this list is pretty impressive, including even such terrifying villains as Owl and Paste-Pot Pete.  ;D

Okay, I suggested Killer Moth. But I just love the classic costume with the striped leggings:



Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on November 06, 2009, 12:43:19 PM
Is SHUA like OAUA, do you have to install UA again with this hack?

No, OUAU is entirely different from everything else. Other worldhacks like SHUA can be run with your usual copy of UA and UAShell, as far as I know (just like you ran the Gamma World hack with it).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 06, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
Speaking of Brainiac, what powers should a silver-age version of that villain have?   ???

A force field, of course...probably a ray-gun...anything else...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on November 06, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
I would love to fight some super-villains. :)

I'll cast a 'second' for Shredder and Violator as suggested by Ben.

I'd also like to see the following non-Marvel, non-DC viallains:
Omni-Man (Image) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni-Man
Rasputin (Hellboy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin_(Hellboy)
Ozymandius (Watchmen) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias_(Watchmen)#Ozymandias
Evil Ernie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Ernie
The Darkness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkness_(comics)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 06, 2009, 07:45:01 PM
Speaking of Brainiac, what powers should a silver-age version of that villain have?   ???

A force field, of course...probably a ray-gun...anything else...?

The original Brainiac had powerful telepathic and psychokinetic abilities which he used against Superman. In addition to Force Field, I think he should have some of the Super Powers from the PS Specab and PS Power sets:

Telepathy      (Is Praying)
Willpower      (Immune to Slp/Charm)
Power Immunity 2   (Globe of Invuln)
Telekinetic Blast 1   (Hold Person)
Psychic Bolt   (Paralyze Spell)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 06, 2009, 10:50:30 PM
Thanks, Nol!  All that certainly makes Brainiac a heavyweight villain! 

Other villains:

I've done a combat icon of Killer Moth that I do like (I was pulled in by the artistic challenge of those pants), so he'll show up, but I probably won't give him his own pic.  I'm reserving those for images that I find particularly intriquing.   :o

You can already fight Shredder in Darius' excellent TMNT mod, so I won't be including him.   :-[

No other decisions at this time.     ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 07, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
Hooray for Killer Moth!  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 07, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
I'm still thinking about what powers to give him, tho...like what might approximate his "cocoon gun"...   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 07, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
My tentative plans for this mod will include about a dozen fights.  So, if I use 6 new, different supervillains in each round of combat, that's, like, room for 72 more dirty scum. 

I'll want to include some of my own overlooked favorites, of course (like Sinestro), but I'm really aiming to exploit a wide range of SHUA powers.  Some fights might be tailored to a particular category of villain (like ones with supernatural powers), while others may be intentional mixes, but, in the end, I'm hoping to construct a varied gauntlet to challenge some make-your-own-super-PCs.  That's the big goal of this project. 

With pics, I'm mostly looking to convert some images that appeal to me, personally. 

With both villains and pics, of course, a few will have to be keyed to whatever weak, thin, excuse for a plot that I force onto the thing. 

It'll be a lot of work, so don't expect it to come out anytime soon. 
  :P 

 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 10, 2009, 10:01:44 AM
Ah yes, and I want to fight Galactus and Darkseid, with my bare fists!
 

You won't be getting off that easy!   8) 

Okay, seriously, I do want to make the gauntlet of fights a true challenge, but I realize that some folks enjoy really tough fights more than others.  So, what I might do is ask the player at the beginning of the mod if they want some extra help, and then add an NPC or rotating series of NPCs during the mod to make things a bit easier on them. 

So, everybody likes Power Girl, right? 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 10, 2009, 04:19:58 PM
I'm still thinking about what powers to give him, tho...like what might approximate his "cocoon gun"...   :-\

I think the cocoon gun could be simulated by either paralyzation or a variation of the owlber hug or the "shambling mound engulf".
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 15, 2009, 10:50:31 PM
Hi, everybody! 

I'm considering putting together a very combat-heavy SHUA mod.  My question is (and making no promises):  Are there any supervillains that you'd like to fight that aren't already found in SHUA? 

There might be room for an overlooked superhero cameo, or two, in the mod, as well.  So, feel free to put in a plug for a superhero who didn't make the SHUA Worldhack, as well. 

Extra no-prize points for supervillains not from Marvel or DC.   ;)

Until the future,

hans.

Super Villains not from Marvel or DC?

Here are my first 4:

That Yellow Bastard - Sin City
Hunter Rose - Grendel
Sathanus - John Byrne's Next Men
Master Darque - Shadowman
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 16, 2009, 03:01:16 AM
Yellow Bastard is a great idea, but he probably gets beaten to a yellow pulp too easily.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 20, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
My tentative plans for this mod will include about a dozen fights.  So, if I use 6 new, different supervillains in each round of combat, that's, like, room for 72 more dirty scum. 

I'll be posting 4 more pics of Super Villains in that other thread in just a minute. These 4 are all from "Gold Key" comics:

Xyrkol - Magnus, Robot Fighter
Mekman - Magnus, Robot Fighter

Nuro - Doctor Solar
Super Cybernoid - Doctor Solar

Xyrkol is a mad scientist who would have some robots for Magnus, Robot Fighter, to fight.

Nuro is a bald, genius, criminal mastermind. Comics are loaded with bald, genius, criminal masterminds:
1) Bald, genius, criminal masterminds of the "Fat" variety.
2) Bald, genius, criminal masterminds of the "Puny" variety.
3) Bald, genius, criminal masterminds of the "Green" variety.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 23, 2009, 10:36:43 PM
Well, seeing as Grendel/Hunter Rose is arguably the most notable indie comix villain of all time, and he's a fine example of a thoroughly wicked one, at that, I suppose I couldn't deny him a spot. 

Plus, he's visually stylish.  8)

Great suggestion, Nol.   ;D

No decisions on the others, yet. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 23, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
4 from the Ultraverse:

Rune, because he's a vampire

Rafferty, because he's a serial killer

Primevil, because he's a re-animated version of one of Prime's shedded super hero bodies

and

Lord Pumpkin, because every super hero needs a Halloween-themed villain to fight
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 24, 2009, 10:30:54 PM
Lord Pumpkin might add an unusual challenge. 

I don't see any pix on the web that I'd want to convert, but I may do a combat icon and include him as one of the many villains who will just happen to show up for a fight in this mod. 

What powers would you figure for him?  A breath weapon, energy (fire) vulnerability, and some MR, I would expect, off the bat...   
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 25, 2009, 05:07:20 PM
Here's the official word on Lord Pumpkin:

Powers
Lord Pumpkin was a magic user, the true extent of this power was never revealed. He is a being created from the magic of an unknown magician. His appearance is that of an scarecrow bearing the head of a Jack-o-lantern, he can withstand being torn apart. Normal weapons such as bullets, knives and other blunt objects have no true effect on him. He is able to protect himself from frontal attacks by using his magic to create a protective field. He can bring himself back to life through his seeds, he has also used the seeds to create an army.

Abilities
Lord Pumpkin can use the flame from his candle to Incinerate his enemies, by emitting a large blast from his mouth. This flame has taken down some of the most powerful Ultras.The candle is thought to be his life force. When his candle is lit he has shown superhuman strength, which is amplified by his insidious nature.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 30, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Mock Turtle from Astro City will be in the mod, but not with a pic.  I don't like this one enough to include it.  I feel it just takes up a spot that could be filled by one of so many more interesting images.   

He will have a combat icon and will fight the PCs, because I like the character (and the villains of Astro City ought to be represented).   ;) 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 06, 2009, 09:27:28 PM
Okay, I've completed a Ratman icon that I'm fairly satisfied with, so he's in.  He's gonna be like fighting a slightly less intimidating Wolverine.  Since his were-rat claws are supposed to be able to slice through steel, I've given him the Vorpal specab.

With Ratman, I've now completed between 1/3 and 1/2 of the number of new supervillains I figure needed for the mod (somewheres around 80 when finished). 

There's still time to request your favorites (Marvel & DC as well as smaller publishers), but, as I've said before, no promises I'll use 'em.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 07, 2009, 04:11:21 AM
I vote for the old configuration of "The Calculator" from DC comics.

Quote from Wikipedia:

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Noah Kuttler is a highly intelligent criminal who fights Batman and the Justice League wearing a costume designed like a pocket calculator. The costume has a large numerical keypad on the front and a flashlight-like device on the headpiece, which can make "hard light" constructs. The device analyzes the powers or tactics of the hero defeating him, and inoculates him from ever being defeated by that hero ever again. In spite of his powerful arsenal, Calculator never makes it big as a costumed villain.

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 07, 2009, 04:36:05 AM
Another vote goes to "Giganta".

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Giganta
Giganta is a fictional character, a red-haired super-villainess appearing in DC Comics publications and related media. A longtime enemy of Wonder Woman and an occasional foil for The Atom, Giganta possesses the superhuman ability to increase her physical size and mass, effectively transforming into a giantess.

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 07, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
2 problems with Giganta

1:  She's too big for a proper UA combat icon, just as Titano or Composite Superman at Colossal Boy size would be. 

2:  She's already made a SHUA appearance in Steve Gustafson's excellent burlesque "The Adventures of Wonder Woman" (wonder.zip). 

The Cheetah also shows up in that mod, but I am considering putting the golden age version of her into mine (Steve used the modern, more animalistic version).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: AmigaDave on December 08, 2009, 12:11:53 AM
And the most awesome of them all... Mr. Polka-Dot:

Hilarious Ben!

I'm not much of a comic person, but did browse through my older Brother's massive collection as a kid.  He had mostly Marvel comics and guarded them almost as closely as his collection of Playboy magazines under the lowest drawer of his dresser cabinet.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 08, 2009, 03:36:23 AM
1:  She's too big for a proper UA combat icon, just as Titano or Composite Superman at Colossal Boy size would be. 

But she can change her size!  ;D

Alright, if there's no Giganta, what about The Calculator (see previous page)? He dresses as a pocket calculator! He has a keypad on his chest! He can fire hard-light constructs! :D

And the most awesome of them all... Mr. Polka-Dot:

Hilarious Ben!

Clearly, a lot of the early Batman comics were created under heavy drug influence. Otherwise I cannot explain these titles:



Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on December 08, 2009, 07:57:42 AM
 :D Are you sure these aren't covers of Mad magazine?  ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 08, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
I'll tell you why those Batman covers work for the character, even if it was during his campy phase... 

Batman, thematically, has always been about mental health/disease.  (His origin is the most traumatic endured by any superhero, he dresses to exploit his enemies' superstitious fears and cowardice, and most of his villains go to an insane asylum rather than jail, 'nuff said.) 

Bruce Wayne's Batman persona can either be seen as his defense mechanism against the threat of insanity, on a personal level, or evidence that he has succummed to it. 

During his campy years, the writers, either by canny design or happy accident, repeatedly used the gimmick of turning everyday, normal items into playthings of nightmare -- giant coins, bowling balls & pins, pepper shakers, silverware, fountain pens, rotary phones, bottles, dice, typewriters, light bulbs, etc., etc., etc. 

Batman, himself, was also often altered, if not literally into freaks or monsters, then in appearance (odd costumes), or was placed into compromising or humiliating situations. 

Whereas Superman was typically set in the role of savior in his stories (saving Lois or Jimmy from the latest menace), Batman's stories could usually be seen as direct assaults on Batman's own psyche (his self-image or worldview).

So, even though such cover images could often be laughable, they were striking a valid thematic tone for the character.   :)

Holy headshrinkers, Batman!   :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 08, 2009, 05:23:36 PM
Alright, if there's no Giganta, what about The Calculator (see previous page)? He dresses as a pocket calculator! He has a keypad on his chest! He can fire hard-light constructs! :D
 

The Calculator has a couple of strikes against him: 

1.  I don't think his powers translate well to SHUA.  Ideally, he should have his own, personal combat sprite attack(s) connected to an equally unique superpower item.  My plan for this mod, however, is to use Nol's SHUA Ckit without any new hacking editions or edits.

The next best thing would be to handle his power like SHUA does Green Lantern, by letting him summon monsters to his aid.  If a PC happens to have a power ring, however, then both the PC and the Calculator would be summoning the same kind of (green?) monsters, so that's not a viable option. 

I could simply add an additional monster to a combat with the Calculator in it, to fight alongside him as if he had just created it, but that's a trick I already plan to use for Sinestro, the Shade, and the Tattooed Man. 

2.  I don't find the Calculator as visually interesting as, say, Killer Moth.  At icon size, the keypad will just shink to a vaguely square splash of blue on his chest.

So, without an interesting power or costume, there's not much to get me excited about using the character when there are so many other, better equipped candidates out there.   :'(
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 08, 2009, 09:56:41 PM
I cast one vote for The Eraser, the Rubber-Headed Villain. He has a surrealist flair about him which I like.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 08, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
I cast one vote for The Eraser, the Rubber-Headed Villain. He has a surrealist flair about him which I like.
 

I have absolutely no clue what powers I would give him...   ??? 

Holy blankety-blank, Batman!   :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on December 08, 2009, 11:18:06 PM
The power to crash your game and erase all your progress?  :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 09, 2009, 02:14:19 PM
I cast one vote for The Eraser, the Rubber-Headed Villain. He has a surrealist flair about him which I like.
 

I have absolutely no clue what powers I would give him...   ??? 


He can dissolve your armor with Black Pudding Attack, he drains your levels until you are paper-thin, and finally, he disintegrates you!  ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 09, 2009, 02:22:20 PM
Batman, thematically, has always been about mental health/disease.  (His origin is the most traumatic endured by any superhero, he dresses to exploit his enemies' superstitious fears and cowardice, and most of his villains go to an insane asylum rather than jail, 'nuff said.) 

Bruce Wayne's Batman persona can either be seen as his defense mechanism against the threat of insanity, on a personal level, or evidence that he has succummed to it. 

During his campy years, the writers, either by canny design or happy accident, repeatedly used the gimmick of turning everyday, normal items into playthings of nightmare -- giant coins, bowling balls & pins, pepper shakers, silverware, fountain pens, rotary phones, bottles, dice, typewriters, light bulbs, etc., etc., etc. 

Batman, himself, was also often altered, if not literally into freaks or monsters, then in appearance (odd costumes), or was placed into compromising or humiliating situations. 

Whereas Superman was typically set in the role of savior in his stories (saving Lois or Jimmy from the latest menace), Batman's stories could usually be seen as direct assaults on Batman's own psyche (his self-image or worldview).

So, even though such cover images could often be laughable, they were striking a valid thematic tone for the character.   :)

That's an interesting way to look at it.

I know that writers were forced to work under the Comics Code at the time, and they couldn't cover a lot of more mature topics. I don't know if this means that you are compelled to do stories about "Batman Jones"...

But they did manage to tackle the then-risky subject of homosexuality, like in "The Rainbow Batman"... :D

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 09, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
And while we're on the subject, how about the Rainbow Raider for a villain:

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 09, 2009, 09:20:44 PM
I cast one vote for The Eraser, the Rubber-Headed Villain. He has a surrealist flair about him which I like.
 

I have absolutely no clue what powers I would give him...   ??? 

Holy blankety-blank, Batman!   :o

The cover makes it seem like The Eraser has the ability to erase pencil drawings of Super Heroes before they make it to the inker's desk, but:

Quoted from the Batman Wiki:
"Eraser wore shoes tipped with pencil-point blades that could also emit a sleeping gas. He wore a mask topped off with a giant eraser that could rub out evidence from crime scenes like footprints, fingerprints, etc."

So I would give him the ability to cast Stinking Cloud and/or Sleep. Then he would close in for a Kick with his extra sharp pencil point shoes.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 09, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Batman wasn't the only one who had some weird stories...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 09, 2009, 10:55:37 PM
So I would give him the ability to cast Stinking Cloud and/or Sleep. Then he would close in for a Kick with his extra sharp pencil point shoes.
 

Yes, that might make the Human Eraser an interesting opponent.  I may try an icon, and see how it looks... 

BTW, does anybody know, who came first, DC's Human Eraser or Marvel's the Living Eraser (a Giant Man villain)?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 09, 2009, 11:04:13 PM
Even tho Steve Gustafson used Egg Fu in his Wonder Woman mod, I'm thinking about using him in mine...maybe the newer version, without mustache & with mechanical spider legs...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 09, 2009, 11:17:17 PM
And while we're on the subject, how about the Rainbow Raider for a villain:
 

I tend to avoid doing icons where one side of the character differs much from the other (in RR's case, the bright colors on one side of his tunic, but not the other).  It's just a minor pet peeve of mine to see sudden alterations in bodies or costumes when an icon turns from left to right, or right to left. 

I did consider, briefly, making a Big icon of him standing at the top of a rainbow, but in my mind it already looks too silly.   :P 

I am leaning towards including another of your suggestions, tho, Gorilla Grodd.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on December 09, 2009, 11:43:10 PM
Batman wasn't the only one who had some weird stories...

Man, I wish I could read these silly Batman & Wonder Woman comics. I never knew superhero comics were THAT funny.  :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 10, 2009, 02:09:45 AM
I am leaning towards including another of your suggestions, tho, Gorilla Grodd.

That would be great. :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 10, 2009, 02:35:34 AM
If I can suggest one other villain, how about the guy below? Especially due to his hair, he would make a great icon.  ;)

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 10, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Well, I completed a big icon of Grodd that I think looks pretty cool, so he's definately in.  That'll give the PCs another A-lister villain to battle. 

I wonder who'd win in a big, hairy fight, Grodd or Marvel's Xemnu the Titan...? 

Syndrome is tempting, as is the obvious idea of using one of his robots, in conjunction, but I'm hoping to stick to characters originating from comics, not film (although I may use music from superhero movies & tv shows).  I wonder if there are any comicbook villains with as strange a hair style...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 11, 2009, 07:42:38 AM
Well, I completed a big icon of Grodd that I think looks pretty cool, so he's definately in.  That'll give the PCs another A-lister villain to battle. 

That's cool. :) Big evil gorillas are always great as a menace. 

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Syndrome is tempting, as is the obvious idea of using one of his robots, in conjunction, but I'm hoping to stick to characters originating from comics, not film (although I may use music from superhero movies & tv shows).

Well, there was a comic book adaptation of "The Incredibles" ( http://www.comics-db.com/comic-book/1076684-Incredibles_1.html ), but I guess that's bending the rules. ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 11, 2009, 03:17:15 PM
but I guess that's bending the rules. ;)
 

There are a number of other characters that didn't start out in comics but  that I find equally tempting to include comicbook version pics of, like (tv toons) Space Ghost, the Mighty Mightor, Young Samson & Goliath, Jonny Quest, the Mighty Heroes, the Wonder Twins, (tv live-action show) Isis, (toy) Captain Action, (newspapers) Dick Tracy, the Phantom, Flash Gordon, Mandrake the Magician, (literature) Frankenstein's Monster, Dracula, Zorro, (pulps) Doc Savage, the Shadow, the Avenger, the Spider, (radio) the Lone Ranger and the Green Hornet, etc...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 11, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
Maybe you should give in to the temptation.  :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 11, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
Well, I came up with an icon for the Eraser that I can live with, so he's in. 

He's the main villain in the next Dark Knight movie, right?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 11, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
The 3rd Movie will be titled "The Not-So-Dark Knight" and will feature Bat-Mite and Batwoman. They will fight villains with names likes:

The Fox, The Shark, and the Vulture
The Raven and the Wasp
and Clayface
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 11, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
Speaking of laughably bad (yet somehow endearing) Batman villains, I'm considering adding Tweedledee and Tweedledum into the mix. 

I already have the previously mentioned Mock Turtle, as well as Marvel's White Rabbit (a silly Spider-Man villainess).  So, I'm thinking, what-the-heck, why not devote one whole combat to only Lewis Carroll inspired baddies? 

With the above, I'd have 4 slots filled, leaving room for two more.  Whom would you suggest...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 12, 2009, 01:12:35 AM
Lewis Carroll-inspired?

Well, the Mad Hatter comes to mind:

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 12, 2009, 01:32:36 AM
And there was another Batman villain based on Humpty Dumpty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_(comics)).

I didn't find a villain based on the Cheshire Cat, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one.  ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 12, 2009, 12:34:05 PM
There was a laughable Spider-Man villain named the Walrus.

And then there's the White Queen. I'm not sure if she needs to run as fast as she can just to stay in one place, though.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 12, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
Well, I've completed a big icon of Egg Fu that I really like, so he's in. 

It's the new, scarier take on the character by Grant Morrison.  Looks like he's taken a couple of Humpty-Dumpty dives, already.  He's a real crack up.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 13, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
Emma Frost, the White Queen is in. 

I had a dickens of a time with an icon for the Mad Hatter.  I couldn't keep him from looking like a leprechaun until I figured out what to do with the pants. 

I like the version with the tea pot best. 

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 14, 2009, 03:54:10 AM
The Mad Hatter looks awesome. I also prefer the version with the tea pot.  :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 15, 2009, 04:04:54 PM
Looking things over, I've got a few A-list villains from the DC Universe, Brainiac, Sinestro, Gorilla Grodd, and I'm working on Solomon Grundy. 

From the Marvel U, however, I don't have any super big names, unless you count the Lizard (I'd call him marginal, at best -- certainly not as major as Doc Ock, Kingpin, or the Green Goblin).  All my other Marvel villains, so far, are B- through D-list types. 

I'd like to have a few Marvel A-listers.  Did the SHUA worldhack plus Nol's X-Men design include all of Marvel's biggest baddies?  Were there any left out that you'd like to suggest for my mod...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 15, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
...That is, Rocco Taku's mod...   ::)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 15, 2009, 04:38:36 PM
Solomon Grundy, yay! :)

From the Marvel U, however, I don't have any super big names, unless you count the Lizard (I'd call him marginal, at best -- certainly not as major as Doc Ock, Kingpin, or the Green Goblin).  All my other Marvel villains, so far, are B- through D-list types.  I'd like to have a few Marvel A-listers.

Apart from Spider-Man, I'm not as familiar with Marvel as I am with DC, so I can't say for sure if these are really A-listers, but...

How about Fin Fang Foom? (probably the silliest villain name ever, even for a dragon)

Abomination: I only know him from the second Hulk movie. Would probably make a nice icon.

Or that guy from the Iron Man movie, Obediah Stane?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 15, 2009, 04:41:41 PM
I just looked it up on the first page of this thread: "Abomination" is already in SHUA.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 15, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
I don't see Loki on the list... so what about Loki?

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 15, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
And should you decide to include another D-Lister, here's Stilt-Man!

He's so tough, he can grease his stilts!

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 15, 2009, 10:40:10 PM
From the Marvel U, however, I don't have any super big names, unless you count the Lizard (I'd call him marginal, at best -- certainly not as major as Doc Ock, Kingpin, or the Green Goblin).  All my other Marvel villains, so far, are B- through D-list types. 

Here are some Marvel Villains that are not in default SHUA:
Eel
Executioner
Grey Gargoyle
Immortus
Mole Man
Mystique
Omega Red
Princess Python
Sandman
Super-Adaptoid
Super Skrull
Trapster
Unus
Ultron
and
Wizard

And, while they are in default SHUA, I would love to see hans icons of:
Doctor Doom
Green Goblin
and
Red Skull
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 17, 2009, 01:32:09 PM
Alas, Fin Fang Foom is too big for a UA combat icon.

(click to enlarge.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 17, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
Loki is a good idea, my only worry is that he might be too powerful an opponent.  (Well, that, and how I would draw those horns in a combat icon...) 

I would use the old Loki, not the new, buxom female version. 

I'm not comfortable with that decision on Marvel's part.  A guy's brother shouldn't become a tempting sexpot.  Too wrong.  Too wrong for Asgard.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 17, 2009, 02:27:28 PM
There is a female Loki now? I agree, that's wrong. And in regards to the mythology, it's kind of stupid, too.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 17, 2009, 08:26:06 PM
It's the same Loki. He has just assumed a female persona... It's not out of character for him to be deceptive.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 17, 2009, 09:41:09 PM
It's the same Loki. He has just assumed a female persona... It's not out of character for him to be deceptive.
 

"I was in disguise in disguise in disguise. You work hard for fifty bucks a day in this racket." --Sam Diamond, Murder by Death.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 17, 2009, 10:03:16 PM
Well, I went with the classic Kirby costume.  Had to make it a tall icon to get the horns in.  Turned out good enough to get him in.  He's gonna be one tough customer, tho... 

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 18, 2009, 02:48:11 AM
It's amazing how you can make these characters instantly recognizable with just a few pixels.

Will all the combats be organized thematically (e.g. Lewis Carroll-inspired villains), or by toughness (start by fighting Killer Moth, end up fighting norse gods)?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 18, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
At least a few will be thematic.  Probably some utter mish-mashes, too, tho. 

I'd like to build up, easiest fights first, hardest last, but part of the reason for this mod is educate myself on what make-your-own super-PCs might find hard or not.  I'm hoping to get plenty of feedback once folks start playing it.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 18, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
Stiltman is too tall to fit into a UA icon. 

I like Sandman (comics better than movie).  He's under serious consideration. 
So are Super Skrull, Unus, and Ultron, 'cuz I like them, too. 

I haven't ruled out any of the others, yet.

I might bend my own rules to slip in Dr. Doom.  I would kinda like to try my hand at a Doc icon, now that you bring him up...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 19, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
The doctor is in

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 19, 2009, 04:10:12 PM
Doctor, doctor give me the news
I've got a bad case of likin' this icon

Oh, and before I forget, Here's a guy who I didn't find on the list on page one.


If he isn't already in SHUA, I think he should be:

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 19, 2009, 11:42:41 PM
Whoops. 

It appears that Dr. Doom is not my first retread of a default SHUA villain.  Looking at it again, the White Queen was already there, too.   :-[
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 20, 2009, 10:39:14 PM
I don't see Lex Luthor in the default list. 

He's obviously a strong candidate! 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 21, 2009, 11:23:08 AM
Luthor's in, shifting the balance of power decidedly in the direction of the DC supervillains. 

I decided to give him the 70's jumpsuit made most famous in the Superfriends cartoon. 

With Lex, Sinestro, Gorilla Grodd, Solomon Grundy, and Captain Cold already in, and with plans to add Cheetah, the Legion of Doom should be well represented. 

<edit> --Forgot to mention Brainiac.  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 21, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
It's great that Lex is in, and a good choice for the costume.  :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 21, 2009, 04:46:03 PM
Bizarro is too powerful for the game, or is he?

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 21, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
Bizarro is too powerful for the game, or is he?
 

Yeah, even if I could figure out a good Achilles' heel to get around his pesky Superman-level-invulnerability, there's no guarantee that any of the make-your-own PCs will have chosen that particular superpower. 

The only advice I intend to give the players is that it would be a good idea to buy one of your superheroes a (biophys)healing power.  Other than that, I want them to figure out their own combination strategies.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 21, 2009, 11:17:38 PM
A good site for official or semi-official MSH stats on a 1-1000 scale, is:
http://www.classicmarvelforever.com/

The SHUA docs should be pretty straight-forward on a conversion to a 1-25 AD&D scale.

FASERIP
Fighting = THAC0, Agility = Dexterity, Strength = Strength, Endurance = Constitution, Reason = Intelligence, Intuition = Wisdom, Psyche = Charisma

HKRP
Health = HP, Karma = XP, Resources = Gold, Popularity = nil
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 22, 2009, 06:55:59 PM
Thanks, Nol!   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 23, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
I'm thinking that I may want to have one or two combat icons that can represent more than a single individual in a fight.  That is, to become an army of identically clad bad guys, either of an evil organization or one particular villain's brand of outfitted henchmen (or as the Monarch from the Venture Bros. cartoon prefers to refer to his lackeys: "minions"). 

This would allow me to have a couple of fights where the PCs are battling more than 6 foes at once.  Maybe see how they fare if they're surrounded by goons with guns... 

A couple of obvious choices from the Marvel Universe would be agents of Hydra and A.I.M.  Or maybe a squad of Skrulls would be nice.  Or who has the best robots, or servile monsters, at his beck and call...? 

Suggestions...? 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 25, 2009, 01:44:11 PM
Merry Christmas, everybody!   :D 

Due to some lapse in sanity, Rocco Taku is including the justly obscure supervillain from Blackhawk #221, the Moonster, in his mod.

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 27, 2009, 08:41:05 PM
With the Moonster joining Egg Fu, the giant-oddball-weirdo supervillain population will at least have some representation. 

I might add another one or two more of their ilk, tho. 

I enjoy the artistic challenge these colossal kooks provide...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 28, 2009, 04:55:30 AM
Let me guess the Moonster's weakness... rockets?  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 28, 2009, 11:03:55 PM
Update:  Unus, the Untouchable is in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 29, 2009, 08:40:39 PM
Good, Unus the Untouchable is in.  :)

Any word on whether the Mole Man has been sighted?

A nice set of Villains who are not in default SHUA are the Fatal Five - arch enemies of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

The Fatal Five: Emerald Empress, Mano, Persuader, Tharok, and Validus.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 29, 2009, 11:10:10 PM
Mole Man is under consideration.  He's never been one of my favorite villains, and he doesn't bring much in the way of an interesting attack, but if I did him I could also do a Moloid icon and use it as multiple attackers.  So far, I have A.I.M. and Hydra soldier icons, but I'm looking to add a couple more such "group" villains. 

Those Moloids' eyes might be problematic, tho.  Reduced to small icon size, they might be impossible to do justice to, and just turn out silly or wrong-looking...  :-\ 

The Fatal Five present other challenges. 

Validus is waaaaayyyy too powerful. 

The Persuader may be as well.  Super-strong with an atomic axe that can cut through anything...?   :o 

Tharok violates my pet peeve of possibly having his robot-side switching back and forth from left to right during combats. 

That leaves Mano and Emerald Empress.  I'm not sure what SHUA abilities I would give these two.  Fighting Mano would certainly be suspenseful, as one touch should disintegrate a PC. 

I would do Emerald Empress and her Eye together in one big icon, if I add her. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on December 30, 2009, 10:10:54 AM
I don't know any of the recently mentioned villains, but another somewhat big Marvel villain came to my mind, who's also not on the list on page 1:

The Mandarin

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 30, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Mandy's a possibility, even tho his rings have become too powerful, IMO, due to so many different authors writing in so many new tricks for them during the course of his appearances.  If I add him, I'll add an older, classic version that's a bit less powerful (that is to say, no more than 10 offensive weapons/spells).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on December 30, 2009, 12:28:20 PM
For hordes of faceless attackers, and sticking to the Marvel milieu ... The Hand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_%28comics%29).

Lotsa interesting stuff going on with Hydra and the Hand in Marvel right now anyhow.

Hydra has a nice cadre of big-bads for heroes to encounter, as well: Baron Wolfgang von Strucker (plus his two kids, well none now in current continuity), Viper, Madame Hydra, Kraken, Gorgon, and the Hive.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 30, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Mandy's a possibility, even tho his rings have become too powerful, IMO, due to so many different authors writing in so many new tricks for them during the course of his appearances.  If I add him, I'll add an older, classic version that's a bit less powerful (that is to say, no more than 10 offensive weapons/spells).

According to MT3 The Revenge of Kang, the powers of Mandarin's 10 rings are:
1) Ice Blast
2) Mind Control
3) Electrical Attack
4) Flame Projection
5) Light
6) Matter Manipulation
7) Force Attack
8) Flight
9) Disintegration (non-living targets only)
10) Darkforce Generation
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on December 30, 2009, 01:39:16 PM
Speaking of laughably bad (yet somehow endearing) Batman villains, I'm considering adding Tweedledee and Tweedledum into the mix. 

I already have the previously mentioned Mock Turtle, as well as Marvel's White Rabbit (a silly Spider-Man villainess).  So, I'm thinking, what-the-heck, why not devote one whole combat to only Lewis Carroll inspired baddies? 

With the above, I'd have 4 slots filled, leaving room for two more.  Whom would you suggest...?

Zenescope's version of the Cheshire Cat from Tales from Wonderland.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 30, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
According to MT3 The Revenge of Kang, the powers of Mandarin's 10 rings are:
1) Ice Blast
2) Mind Control
3) Electrical Attack
4) Flame Projection
5) Light
6) Matter Manipulation
7) Force Attack
8) Flight
9) Disintegration (non-living targets only)
10) Darkforce Generation
 

In order to fit in all the different effects authors have given them, such things as (increased) Gravity Field and Magnetic Levitation are given to no.5, Poison Gas to no.6, and a Sonic Beam to no.7, as sub-catagories to each general power.  No.8's category was expanded to a Vortex Beam to cover not only Flight for himself, but other objects (somewhat duplicating Magnetic Levitation), as well as creating tornado-like wind gusts.  Pretty much every ring can now be used for a variety of different types of attacks or defenses. 

I predict that soon some revisionist author is going create a new Mandarin who's a beautiful female and all the power rings are going to be attached through body-piercings.  The Womandarin...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on December 30, 2009, 01:49:32 PM
Nope. This guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrill_%28comics%29) will get the rings and be known as the Mandrillan.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 30, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Nope. This guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrill_%28comics%29) will get the rings and be known as the Mandrillan.
 

Hehee   :D 

I've actually liked this mutant villain since his early days fighting Daredevil.  I'd include him, except there's no way in SHUA to give him Charm powers against only women.   :P
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on December 30, 2009, 02:06:55 PM
For hordes of faceless attackers, and sticking to the Marvel milieu ... The Hand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_%28comics%29).
 

That's a good idea, unless folks accuse me of going to the ninja well too often. 

I might try my hand at an Elektra icon, using her from comicbook past as a villainess, and surround her with a squad of Hand ninjas...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on December 30, 2009, 05:43:10 PM
Actually, while the Mandrill is known primarily for his pheromone effects on women, he has augmented his abilities to affect men in the past.

If you want someone similar that can affect males and females ... The Purple Man. And his name and outfit already fits with UA's icon palette! ~.^
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 04, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
Elektra and Hand ninjas are in.   :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 05, 2010, 05:49:52 PM
Woot!

And I would like to go on record and say the Elektra icon is freaking sweet!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 10, 2010, 07:18:30 PM
Most of the time, I can finish a combat icon the same day I start it, but this one has taken me a week. 

I'm leaning towards using the wide version in the mod, but including the whole *.pcx as a bonus file.

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 10, 2010, 08:23:52 PM
I like the wide version best. But, if the heroes fight the Super Skrull more than once, you could use several of the icons.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on January 10, 2010, 09:36:50 PM
Very nice. :) I like all of them, but I think I like the big icon just a little bit better than the wide one, mostly because of the left-hand follow-through. :D But, my heroes would feel honored to face any of them. And by honored, I mean I would feel honored and they would feel some trepidation.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 14, 2010, 03:40:58 PM
Speaking of vegepygmies... 

I read a Swamp Thing comic that I got out the bargain bin, last night.  The modern ST was about the most boring element in the story.  Boy, Alan Moore sure ruined that character.  By turning ST into an eco-motivated plant elemental with godlike powers instead of a suffering, pitiable, mutated Alec Holland, he really took all the interesting pathos from the character.  It's hard to identify with a plant, it's hard to sympathize with a plant, and it's hard to care what happens to a plant. 

Moore is a terrific writer, but often for the sake of one interesting story arc, he ruins his characters for the long run. 

He did the same thing with Miracle Man, when he had the character shed his humanity (a theme he continued with Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan).  I hope Marvel's incarnation will be sans such delusions of godhood. 

BTW, I've decided that Swamp Thing villain Arcane will not take part in any fighting in my SHUA mod, but he will make an appearance in a pic.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 14, 2010, 08:17:46 PM
Oh, hans, just for you ....

Sinestro will be in the upcoming Green Lantern movie. Played by Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach and Freddie Kruger). But, he will not be the focus of the movie, more of a small role to lead into possible future movies.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 14, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
Oh, hans, just for you ....

Sinestro will be in the upcoming Green Lantern movie. Played by Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach and Freddie Kruger). But, he will not be the focus of the movie, more of a small role to lead into possible future movies.
 

COOL!   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 16, 2010, 08:19:28 PM
I've added a dose of manliness to the mod. 

My last two combat icons were: 

Hawkman villain race -- Manhawks,
Black Panther villain -- Man-ape.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 16, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
Bah, now the rumor changed that Haley is out and Mark Strong is in as Sinestro. He played Lord Blackwood in the recent "Sherlock Holmes" movie. I've not formed a solid opinion of him yet, but I wish Haley was still in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 16, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
I admire Haley's acting chops immensely, but I did imagine Sinestro as a bit taller...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 17, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
I just finished a combat icon for the Fantastic Four villain, The Red Ghost

How would you simulate his power to become insubstantial in SHUA...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 17, 2010, 02:19:50 PM
Easiest might be mirror image. However that still allows him to be hit on occasion. Dunno if shua has anything liek that in it tho.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 17, 2010, 02:44:02 PM
I was thinking maybe combining Blink, Immune Normal Weapons, and setting Magic Resistance to, say, 50%. 

That way, energy, magic, & psi powers would still have a chance to effect/disrupt him, but only sometimes...   ??? 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on January 18, 2010, 12:27:44 AM
Phasing (SHUA Spec Ab) ==> Blinking (FRUA)

A high initiative roll will help him to phase out... SURPRISED (PARTY)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 18, 2010, 04:35:19 PM
I haven't experimented, yet, but maybe you could tell me...are there some superpowers items that villains won't use if you give one to them (even tho they are the right class)? 

I'm thinking like how in default UA bad guys won't use scrolls or junk...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on January 18, 2010, 04:49:29 PM
Villains will not cast spells off of Items, period.

To give a Villain a Super-Power, you have to:

A) Give them a SpecAb.

or

B) Give them at least one level in the Mystic class and have them memorize a Spell.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 18, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
Thanks, Nol!   :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 21, 2010, 01:09:13 PM
Now comes Attuma

He doesn't add anything unique in the way of challenge, but he's visually one of Subbie's coolest villains.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 21, 2010, 04:39:03 PM
Also adding Xemnu, the Living Hulk, a.k.a. Xemnu, the Living Titan. 

Now, while he may have the physique of a big, overstuffed muppet, do not underestimate him.  Xemnu will be a challenge.  Physically, he's as tough as Fantastic Four's Thing, while mentally, he has the powers of telekenesis and super-hypnosis!

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on January 21, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
Very Cool!

Now, if only there was a small pic of Xemnu to go with your icon...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on January 21, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
Remove the fire/mental stuff from his head and you have a cool abominable snowman, too!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 21, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
It kinda looks like his butt's in front, but that was an artistic choice made by certain comic artists during Xemnu's fatter phase that I decided to keep. 

Nol's pic shows how he later (after much teasing from the other monsters, I'm sure) developed abs of steel.   ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 22, 2010, 11:11:10 PM
If ya'll remember my earlier comments about Marvel turning Loki  into a femme fatale... 

I do a search on Ultron, today, and I find out that he's become a beautiful, naked woman!   :o 

I went, what the Hank!?!  --Who's next...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on January 23, 2010, 12:12:05 AM
I heard they're planning a transsexual Galactus.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Kaz-Keith on January 23, 2010, 11:00:55 AM
Also adding Xemnu, the Living Hulk, a.k.a. Xemnu, the Living Titan. 

Now, while he may have the physique of a big, overstuffed muppet, do not underestimate him.  Xemnu will be a challenge.  Physically, he's as tough as Fantastic Four's Thing, while mentally, he has the powers of telekenesis and super-hypnosis!

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If that gig didn't pan out ofr ol' Xemnu, he could always make a killing as a guest cameo in the new Ghostbusters franchise... a retrofitted Stay-Puft, jelly-bird-naked even, able to call a Sauron-ish corona of flame to his head at the flick of Angry Eyes?  Oooooh yeah.

Weinies-on-sticks for all.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 25, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
As I've previously mentioned, I have a pet peeve against combat icons that are distinctly asymmetrical in character or costume, so that right and left sides suddenly reverse when the icon turns direction.  ("How did the pirate hook suddenly replace his left hand instead of his right...?" kinda thing.) 

However, I just had to make an exception for DC Comics' most disarmingly ingratiating villainess, Harley Quinn

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Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on January 28, 2010, 02:12:46 AM
I always thought the Joker character worked better without a sidekick (I'm also one of those people who don't like Robin).

The icon looks great, though.  :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 28, 2010, 06:26:59 PM
Lashina was in, but I've taken her back out.  Her icon was just not good enough.  Her costume doesn't reduce well and still be recognizable.  Plus, her power wasn't too unique. 

My criteria for inclusion has been either:
1.  Visually interesting
2.  Interesting combat challenge
or
3.  Just one of my personal favorite villains. 

Lashina almost made it.   :'(
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 29, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Deadshot, deadly Batman villain, Suicide Squaddie, and one of the new Secret Six, is in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on January 30, 2010, 04:25:30 AM
Yay, Deadshot.  :)

But Deadshot never misses, so his stats must give him a really good aim.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 30, 2010, 04:21:48 PM
But Deadshot never misses, so his stats must give him a really good aim.
 

Or so he says, but I notice that Batman is still around after how many years...?   ;D 

Still, I do figure to give him an extra generous THACO.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 30, 2010, 07:22:52 PM
Ultra-Humanite is in.   :)

Really, tho, can anyone tell me the difference between fighting the Ultra-Humanite and fighting Gorilla Grodd...?   ???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on January 30, 2010, 10:40:56 PM
Ya'll can also look forward to fighting Marvel Comics' the Enchantress.   :-*

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Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 04, 2010, 07:58:22 PM
I salvaged the good parts of Lashina's icon into Firestorm's main villainess, Killer Frost, with much more satisfying results. 
Don't worry, she's not wearing that dorky dress, but her fanboy-favorite swimsuit-thingee.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on February 04, 2010, 10:18:54 PM
The more I read this thread, the more I realize how little I know about superheroes and supervillians. At least now I can name more than four! I'm really looking forward to playing this design. By the time I finish it, I hope to be less ignorant on the subject than when I started.

Thanks, hans.

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 05, 2010, 09:25:16 PM
The more I read this thread, the more I realize how little I know about superheroes and supervillians. At least now I can name more than four! I'm really looking forward to playing this design. By the time I finish it, I hope to be less ignorant on the subject than when I started.
 

This mod won't be much of an introduction to specific comicbook characters or story conventions.  There are some excellent mods out there which do that, like:
"DOOM PATROL: CRAWLING FROM THE WRECKAGE" (Dmpatrol.zip) by Nol Drek,
"X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX" (X-Men1.zip) also by Nol Drek,
and
"TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES #1" (Tmnt.zip) by Darius Whiteheart,
which convert actual stories from their respective comics. 

There are also several terrific mods which took established superhero characters and created new, unique stories for them: 
"SUPERMAN ROBOT NUMBER 6" (Super6.zip) by D.R.A.K.E.,
"THE ADVENTURES OF WONDER WOMAN" (Wonder.zip) by Steve Gustafson,
and
"DARK DAY FOR LIBERTY" (Liberty.zip) by Septimus II. 

This SHUA mod, on the other hand, will be heavy on fights, with only the flimsiest of plots.  However, with all the great art I'm converting for it, it might also, hopefully, become a personal tribute to the artform that I have been a lifelong fan of.  That it might kindle or rekindle such a love in others may be hoping too much, but...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 05, 2010, 10:00:29 PM
This X-Men villainess, wearing one of comicdom's most gravity-defying outfits, is the much-traumatized Madelyne Pryor-Summers, in her superbad persona as The Goblin Queen.

I'm not sure what all powers to give her, however, beyond all the psychic ones...   ???

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Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 06, 2010, 01:27:17 PM
Her most impressive power is to avoid a "wardrobe malfunction" with that costume.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on February 06, 2010, 04:44:39 PM
This X-Men villainess, wearing one of comicdom's most gravity-defying outfits, is the much-traumatized Madelyne Pryor-Summers, in her superbad persona as The Goblin Queen.

I'm not sure what all powers to give her, however, beyond all the psychic ones...   ???

She should have high defenses because of her Force Field power. This can be simulated by giving her Body Armor. TK Shield and Telepathy are obvious choices for Psychic SpecAbs. Give her at least one level in the Mystic Class so she can cast the spell TK Bolt as well. Her ability to summon Demons suggests that she has the spell Power Ring and that Demons or Goblyns are the summoned monsters for the area. Hypnotic Gaze is a nice SpecAb for her to have as well.

If you want her to have access to the Pheonix Force, then give her Energy Super Nova and Immune to Super Nova.

Generic Armor (Usable by any class):
14   *Body Armor       -2        9

Psychic Powers:
58  Telekinetic Bolt   (Magic Missile)      Spell   15   1
104 Telekinetic Shield   (MM Shielded)      SA   17   1
69  Telepathy      (Is Praying)      SA   49   3

Energy Control Powers:
53  Power Ring      (Monster Summoning)   Spell   126   9

Special Abilities:
73  IMMUN SUPR NOVA   IMMUN DRAG BRTH
84  ENERGY SUPRNOVA   DRAGON FIRE
70  HYPNOTIC GAZE--   UMBER HULK GAZE
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 06, 2010, 10:30:57 PM
Thanks, Nol! 

I'm thinking that I may ignore her summoning power, though.  It would just bring in some fairly standard looking/acting fantasy creatures, taking up space that could instead belong to a supervillain. 

I do, however, already have several supervillains who are pretty much defined by some sort of summoning ability -- Sinestro, the Tattooed Man, and the Shade.  They present a problem, in that I want to allow the possibility that a PC superhero may purchase a power ring.  It wouldn't do for a PC to create/summon the same exact thing as one of these baddies, so I decided that I need to replicate the villains' powers another way.  What I'll do is just add the summoned creations to a combat event slot, just like regular monsters, so that they'll be there right from the beginning, leaving it up to the player to infer that those have been created by the villains as part of their initial attack.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 07, 2010, 03:20:32 AM
You could maybe take advantage of the "awaiting summons"-setting that comes with the new SCRIPT.GLB.

You could set a couple of guys who are about to be summoned to "awaiting summons" and add them to the combat event in a regular slot. Then give the initiative to the villains, and they'll cast the spell in the first round (hopefully) to summon the reinforcements.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 07, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
You could maybe take advantage of the "awaiting summons"-setting that comes with the new SCRIPT.GLB.

You could set a couple of guys who are about to be summoned to "awaiting summons" and add them to the combat event in a regular slot. Then give the initiative to the villains, and they'll cast the spell in the first round (hopefully) to summon the reinforcements.
 

I might experiment with that, but wouldn't it actually take editing the Ckit beyond using the new Script.glb...? 

Even tho I'm tweaking or replacing pretty much all the art, I did want to stick with the default SHUA Ckit for this project.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 07, 2010, 09:53:45 PM
Speaking of power rings, howzabout some suggestions for new energy constructs?  (The same ol' giant hand routine has to get old, after awhile...)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 08, 2010, 05:56:21 AM
I might experiment with that, but wouldn't it actually take editing the Ckit beyond using the new Script.glb...? 

Even tho I'm tweaking or replacing pretty much all the art, I did want to stick with the default SHUA Ckit for this project.

Hmmm, I tried it in default FRUA, and the enemy mages are unable to even memorize "Summon Monsters".

Didn't we have a thread on that recently?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on February 08, 2010, 11:23:19 AM
I might experiment with that, but wouldn't it actually take editing the Ckit beyond using the new Script.glb...? 

Even tho I'm tweaking or replacing pretty much all the art, I did want to stick with the default SHUA Ckit for this project.

Hmmm, I tried it in default FRUA, and the enemy mages are unable to even memorize "Summon Monsters".

Didn't we have a thread on that recently?

On page 2 of the extended monster editor, enter 126 as the 'Summoms' value to make Monster Summoning a memorized spell.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 09, 2010, 06:48:00 PM
Spidey foe, Morbius, the Living Vampire, is in. 

However, since he's a science-vampire, rather than a supernatural-vampire, I'm not sure what SpecAbs to give him...   ???

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Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on February 09, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
Speaking of power rings, howzabout some suggestions for new energy constructs?  (The same ol' giant hand routine has to get old, after awhile...)

First of all, it is unfortunate that FRUA can't make a transparent icon to be superimposed on top of your enemies. Classic Green Lantern constructs like a Giant Scoop, a Covering Dome, a Lasso, and a Fishing Net are out of the question. The Power Ring Construct must be an object which deals damage from the side without enveloping its victim.

Here are some objects which the Power Ring could create:

Sledge Hammer
Shovel
Rocket Launcher
Baseball Bat
Flyswatter
Retractable Spring-Loaded Spikes
Scythe
Reloading Bear Trap
Whirling Scimitars
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 09, 2010, 11:40:30 PM
Thanks, Nol! 

I especially love the flyswatter idea!   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 15, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
I'm adding another monster, The HEAP

Comic's prototypical gooze-thing (long before Swamp Thing, Man-Thing, etc.), he's had several versions ('46, '71, & '98), and many different looks.  This is my favorite look, from the 70's Skywald version in Psycho b&w magazine, designed by noted Spider-Man and Superman artist, Ross Andru. 

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Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 16, 2010, 12:30:35 AM
Absolutely disgusting... I like it!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 23, 2010, 10:04:43 PM
I just finished watching the dvd Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths.  It was quite well done.   :)

I've always been a fan of the comicbook JLA's parallel Earth crossovers...until they destroyed 'em all...   >:( 

I wonder why it is that for the past couple of decades, DC has consistently kicked Marvel's butt when it comes to animation.  Starting in 1992, when Marvel produced a nice X-Men: the Animated Series, DC had a hands-down-better one with their Batman: the Animated Series.  Ever since, Marvel has habitually run second-best.  Maybe now that Disney has bought Marvel, their chances might improve...
 ???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 24, 2010, 04:25:57 AM
But when it comes to live-action movies, they're pretty even. They both have their share of great ones (The Dark Knight, Iron Man), and total crap (Catwoman, Daredevil).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 24, 2010, 01:13:15 PM
But when it comes to live-action movies, they're pretty even. They both have their share of great ones (The Dark Knight, Iron Man), and total crap (Catwoman, Daredevil).
 

Which makes it even more puzzling why Marvel has had so hard a time competing with DC's animated efforts.  Certainly, they have as great a wealth of characters and storylines...   

I liked Daredevil, tho, as a minor effort, certainly better than any of the Punisher's several failures. 

My 10 favorite comicbook movies: 

Watchmen (2009)
The Incredibles (2004)
X2: X-Men United (2003)
Spider-Man 2 (2004) 
Akira (1988)
X-Men (2000)
Superman: The Movie (1978)
Iron Man (2008)
Hellboy ll: The Golden Army (2008)
Hellboy (2004)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on February 24, 2010, 02:19:24 PM
As for me, I liked Christopher Nolan's Batman movies a lot better than Zak Snyder's Watchmen. Can't say I agree with the praise for Watchmen at all. I haven't read the graphic novel yet but to me it seemed like Snyder was trying too hard to adapt Alan Moore's cynical approach to the superhero subject without really reflecting it. The outcome was somewhat contradictory, superficial and even a bit dull, IMO. But I couldn't even try to argue with you since I've already forgotten half of it... That was just my impression when I left the cinema.

I loved X2 and Spiderman 2, though. It's not that often that sequels actually manage to top their predecessors.  :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on February 24, 2010, 04:15:53 PM
I like your list of movies, hans. :)

I wouldn't subtract a thing, but would add a couple making it a top 14 list:

The Dark Knight
Mystery Men
Tank Girl
V for Vengeance

I, like you, kind of liked Daredevil. I wasn't too impressed with Elektra, though. As for the Punisher movies, which I am not impressed with, my 12 and 14 year old nephews absolutely love them (not counting the Dolph Lundgren movie).

I want to like more superhero movies, like Spawn - that could have been an amazing movie. Could have. The Fantastic Four movies are too fluffy for my taste. The Hulk movies - well I like them and would have added one of them to my list if the other didn't exist (maybe this is a whole differnt category).

As for what got me motivated to write a response in the first place, I think DC does better with television cartoons than Marvel because they stick to the material. Sure there may be a little updating, but so many of hte Marvel titles decide to re-invent and dumb-down the comics for their shows. Plus, while stylistically I'm not the biggest fan of the DC cartoons, they are certainly of consistent quality, which is pretty decent, while the Marvel cartoons are stylistically all over the place and of varying levels of quality - like the computer-animated Spiderman cartoon where each character only had one change of clothes no matter the setting.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 24, 2010, 04:48:31 PM
Speaking of Watchmen: Will Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias be in the game?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 24, 2010, 05:21:59 PM
Speaking of Watchmen: Will Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias be in the game?
 

I'm not planning to include him.  I figure that just fighting him with a superpowered team in SHUA would be too dismissive of his brilliance and iconic stature.  He is a mastermind to end all masterminds, and if ever used would deserve a lot more than I could give him in this mod.  In fact, he should probably be the victor in any game he appears in. 

I am considering a brief appearance by one of the other Watchmen, however...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 24, 2010, 05:42:07 PM
The Nolan Batmans don't make my top 10 list because mainly, while I admire the acting, the quality of the fight scenes drags them down.  His fights are possibly well-choreographed, but so poorly shot and edited, with MTV or Bourne-like hyper-cutting, that there's no way to tell. 

My philosophy with martial arts or superhero movies is that if you build up your hero as a master fighter, you have to deliver on that boast.  You have to properly display or showcase that ability.  If Fred Astair had his dance scenes in his musicals cut like Nolan does his fight scenes, we would never be able to fully appreciate Fred's sublime talent. 

The Watchmen movie starts out with a better fight than in any Batman movie, and it sustains that excellence throughout.  They are Matrix level in quality, if not quite as long. 

I'm not a big fan of the second Punisher movie, although I like Thomas Jane as an actor, but it does contain a superb fight scene, pitting Frank Castle against the muscular Russian assassin.  Set to opera music that is playing loudly next door, that scene is a masterpiece of rhythm and ingenuity. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on February 24, 2010, 06:03:44 PM
The Nolan Batmans don't make my top 10 list because mainly, while I admire the acting, the quality of the fight scenes drags them down.  His fights are possibly well-choreographed, but so poorly shot and edited, with MTV or Bourne-like hyper-cutting, that there's no way to tell. 

My philosophy with martial arts or superhero movies is that if you build up your hero as a master fighter, you have to deliver on that boast.  You have to properly display or showcase that ability.  If Fred Astair had his dance scenes in his musicals cut like Nolan does his fight scenes, we would never be able to fully appreciate Fred's sublime talent. 

The Watchmen movie starts out with a better fight than in any Batman movie, and it sustains that excellence throughout.  They are Matrix level in quality, if not quite as long. 


Fair enough, that's something I haven't even considered and I wouldn't be able to judge that either. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for in a movie. From a story-telling point of view though, personally I think Nolan's work is far to superior to that of Snyder.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 24, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
Naturally, this goes along well with my position on art in another thread.  The viewer is not supposed to be an outsider to a work of art, but they bring their own pieces to complete a unique experience, when connecting themselves with the art.  No one should feel slighted or embarrassed or insulted when others don't share their own high regard for a work.  Vincent Van Gogh sold only one painting while he was alive. 

I was a fan of the Watchmen limited series when it first came out, and still consider it the finest superhero graphic novel ever produced.  Unlike some other fans, IMO all of Snyder's changes in bringing the comic to film life were for the better. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on February 24, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
I read some very different opinions on the Watchmen movie and that ours differ, too, kind of fits the pattern. It seems like those who were already familiar with the graphic novel could appreciate the movie but those who were not often didn't share their high opinion and didn't like how the story was told and couldn't relate to the characters. But there's also a chance I'm just not convinced of the ideas behind the story and wouldn't like the comic either...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on February 25, 2010, 08:01:59 AM
I found the "shaky-cam" and rapid editing in Nolan's Batman movies to be far less annoying than in the Bourne films, or Quantum of Solace for that matter, where I often couldn't tell what the hell was going on.
I think the technique was justified in some of the scenes, like the dock fight in Batman Begins, because it was filmed from the perspective of the gangsters, and all they would see is a fast-moving black shape taking them out one by one.

Usually I prefer a slower editing style, that lets you really take in the visuals, instead of getting just a glimpse here and there (my favorite Movie is Barry Lyndon, after all).

But I also loved Watchmen, for the performances, the general stylization and the cocky music choices ("yeah, why not have All Along the Watchtower play during that scene?").
But opinions are indeed split on that one. Only one other guy from my circle of friends loves Watchmen as much as I did, and he has never heard of the graphic novel.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 25, 2010, 09:06:23 PM
As much as I liked Crisis on Two Earths, I don't think much of the extra toon, The Spectre

What an ill-conceived character. 

To begin with, he was created too powerful, almost all-powerful.  It's difficult to create any sense of jeopardy for such a character, so most of his stories don't.  It's almost impossible, as well, to identify with a character that can achieve almost all of his storyline goals without breaking into a sweat.  Without a struggle, there's no dramatic tension.  That's strike one. 

Later, in the 70's, he became, essentially, an angel of death, a spirit of vengeance, killing bad guys in progressively more gruesome and ironic ways.  So you then have a nearly omnipotent character executing bad guys and often putting them through some sort of psychological torture before he does.  If not for the fact that he's preying on criminals, he's basically become Freddy Kruger. 

If I were going to reboot the character, I would give him limits, both in power and in modus operandi.  He'd have to exert himself.  He'd have to follow some rules, as well, in his quest to bring justice.  To begin with:  Thou shalt not kill.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on February 26, 2010, 06:26:29 AM
As was said, Marvel tends to dumb down their animation. I feel this is to get the lower ratings. DC has gone with PG-13 on most of their recent releases.

Another reason Marvel animation gets changed up is due to licensing. Unlike DC which has kept much of their properties in house or limited to one or two outside studios, Marvel had spread its character licenses across multiple studios. Getting authority from those studios to use a character in another studio's film is unlikely. Hence the replacement of the Silver surfer in the recent Planet Hulk animated movie by Beta Ray Bill.

DC's Doomsday sucked all sorts of colon blow. The art was horrendous, the voice acting subpar, and the loss of scope by having only minor DC heroes fall to Doomsday prior to Superman's defeat and subsequent comeback just weakened the entire story. This is the only really bad DC animation release of the least decade I can think of. I enjoyed all the rest, especially Green Lantern and Wonder woman (whihc I wish they would have delved deeper into).

Marvel has a couple of nice ones, I think. Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Avenger Next, Planet Hulk.  The rest are okay, but not that great.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 26, 2010, 07:58:14 PM
DC's Doomsday sucked all sorts of colon blow.
 

That's one I passed on.  It looked stupid, but then, I didn't think much of the comic version, either.  Does every comicbook superhero have to die at least once, these days...?   :P 

I think you're right about scope.  That's definately been a difference in a lot of the animations.  DC's stuff generally feel like they are taking place in a DC universe.  I agree with Manikus, too, that Marvel's have had a tendency to simplify or dumb-down their material, as in taking characters (heroes, villains, and supporting characters) that have been complex in the comics and turning them into shallow, one-note shadows of the originals.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on February 27, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
My 10 favorite comicbook movies: 

Watchmen (2009)
The Incredibles (2004)
X2: X-Men United (2003)
Spider-Man 2 (2004) 
Akira (1988)
X-Men (2000)
Superman: The Movie (1978)
Iron Man (2008)
Hellboy ll: The Golden Army (2008)
Hellboy (2004)

An excellent list, to which I would add the following:

Flash Gordon (1980)
Superman II (1980)
The Crow (1994)
Sin City (2005)
300 (2006)
The Spirit (2008)

As you can tell, I'm a fan of Frank Miller, and he has made the transition from comic books to film while keeping the graphic style for which he is known.

I also think that Richard Donner's Superman II (1980) is the best of the Superman movies made to date - no Superbaby, no Richard Pryor, just Terence Stamp as General Zod, thank you.

One movie which I'm looking forward to seeing is:

Kick Ass (2010)

And if you want some old-fashioned serial Super Hero action, you could do worse than:

Adventures of Captain Marvel (1941)
Batman (1943)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on February 27, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
I kind of liked Tim Burton's Batman movies, too.

Are we talking about superheroes or comicbook adaptations? There are a lot of nice comicbook adaptations that have got nothing to do with the superhero genre.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on February 27, 2010, 06:37:41 PM
I kind of liked Tim Burton's Batman movies, too.
 

I liked Tim's take on Batman's character better than those which followed, even tho Nolan's version has surpassed his in many other aspects.  Tim's Batman (perhaps like almost all of his movies' protagonists) was not easily maintaining a mental balance, and was self-aware of this.  The Batmans which have followed have cast off any shadows of mental disorders, or, at least, believe that they have.  This ignores one of Batman's most interesting themes, that of establishing a Yin/Yang relationship with his clearly crazy adversaries, like the Joker. 

Are we talking about superheroes or comicbook adaptations? There are a lot of nice comicbook adaptations that have got nothing to do with the superhero genre.
 

I allowed myself one adaptation that was non-superhero on my top 10 list (Akira), even tho it had some echoes of the genre.

I also put in Pixar's The Incredibles, which was an original property, not a direct comicbook adaptation, but was soooooo spot-on in its use of comicbook iconography. 

The lines are blurry, as there is a lot of crossover.  Whatever makes good conversation is great by me (we are in the General Discussion category).  ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 02, 2010, 07:07:43 PM
I'm doing a buncha new walls, backdrops, combat dungeons, & wildernesseseses for the mod, because I can't help myself.  They are totally irrelevant to the (slip of a) story, but maybe, I figure, they might help the player feel like the mod is more than just a drawn-out series of fights. 

Because such art additions will be so irrelevant, I'm letting my imagination run wild and throwing together any odd thing that seems halfway doable.  Most of them will be so off-the-wall as to be useless to other authors, but a few, like the one I'm working on below, might find other homes... 

(click to enlarge) 

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on March 03, 2010, 04:57:01 AM
Nice fresco wall. :)


I have a question about SHUA. "Major Mystery" was the first SHUA mod I've played, and I'm too lazy right now to look through the docs or start a new thread. I'll just post it here:

Do the "powers" (items) like MM's self-healing power, ever get depleted and must be refilled? And what's the "magic" option in the camp menu for? I tried it, and got the message: "Major Mystery cannot do power".

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 03, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
Do the "powers" (items) like MM's self-healing power, ever get depleted and must be refilled? And what's the "magic" option in the camp menu for? I tried it, and got the message: "Major Mystery cannot do power".
 

I believe that Nol set all super-powers to unlimited charges.  It's possible that the first aid kit may have a limit, but I forget. 

Mystics are the only class that can do magic.  Their spells are more limited than FRUA mages, tho.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on March 04, 2010, 07:26:58 PM
Are we talking about superheroes or comicbook adaptations? There are a lot of nice comicbook adaptations that have got nothing to do with the superhero genre.

I was talking about superheroes. Some might disagree with my opinion that Flash Gordon, Sin City, and 300 are all superhero movies. I find it hard to find a reason why Flash Gordon is not considered a superhero, but Adam Strange is. It might come down to guilt by association. Leonidas the Spartan is not considered a superhero but Hercules is because he hangs out with the Avengers sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(Marvel_Comics)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 07, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
The Nolan Batmans don't make my top 10 list because mainly, while I admire the acting, the quality of the fight scenes drags them down. 


Heh, looking back through this thread, I probably should've phrased that a little better.  By "mainly," I didn't mean it to be read as "almost entirely."  While I do consider fight choreography and action scenes to be essential elements in superhero movies, I don't mean to imply that I judge such films solely by those. 

If I did, Superman: The Movie wouldn't have been on the list because other Superman movies have had better fights and action.  The original, on the other hand, had the best climax of any of them --emotional, cathartic, and ultimately iconic. 

Another strike against The Dark Knight is that I found the romance between the leading lady and both Bruce and Harvey to be very weak.  Good actors, zero sparks.  The only time she had any chemistry at all was her big scene with the Joker.  That felt real, finally. 

I also felt that the character of Two-Face was slighted.  Because his genesis occurred so late within the movie, there was too little time to give him the evil stature that his face demands.  He was completely dominated in this film by the Joker, just as he had been by the Riddler in Batman Forever.  He was rushed through his motions by the script, rather than fully forming into a great criminal character. 

There was certainly a lot to like in The Dark Knight.  Heath Ledger's performance may never be matched for any other supervillain in any other movie.  As a whole, tho, I just found the film too uneven and flawed to put it into my top 10.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on March 07, 2010, 04:54:03 PM
Okay, I got you, hans, and you've got a point. Actually, now that you mention it, I remember I wasn't convinced by the love story either. I didn't see the internal struggle Bruce/Batman was going through, to me he was Batman all along, never human. All the feelings the movie was claiming he had, I didn't really believe in them. The movie didn't need another villain either. BUt I still thought Nolan's movies a lot more interesting than most of the other superhero movies (maybe it's because I'm not a huge fan of the genre). Watchmen had potential in this regard, too, but it disappointed me. Well, different tastes for diffferent people. But we can agree on both liking "Superman: The Movie".  ;)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 07, 2010, 11:50:09 PM
An experiment that I am now going to abandon.   :-\

What, you may ask, were hobbit holes ever doing showing up in a SHUA mod, anyways? 

I don't even understand what goes on in the mind of Rocco Taku.   ???

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on March 08, 2010, 02:36:31 AM
 ;D

That's one of the best combat dungeons ever!

Too bad there is no "hobbit hole"-wallset.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on March 08, 2010, 07:03:49 AM
 :o I always knew Rocco Taku is a genius! I hope he'll produce a few more weird abandoned experiments and upload this along with them. Does it look as good in combat as it does on the preview screeen here?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on March 08, 2010, 08:25:02 AM
:o I always knew Rocco Taku is a genius!

Indeed! Missile silos disguised as a hobbit village!
Or are the Purple Worm dens?
Crafty, either way.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 08, 2010, 09:44:35 AM
:o I always knew Rocco Taku is a genius! I hope he'll produce a few more weird abandoned experiments and upload this along with them. Does it look as good in combat as it does on the preview screeen here?
 

I didn't take it into combat.  A designer would have to be careful how they assembled the walls around a combat event, in order to get the visual effect they desired (such as no long line of doors all bunched together --as is beginning on the edge of this art gallery display, like a hobbit Holiday Inn).

My thought was that it might be cool for a party to look like they were fighting on top, or over stuff, in a dungeon, instead of just between walls.  I was hoping for a multi-level feel.  I think that the results here are mixed, but with a different visual, and careful planning, it could theoretically work. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on March 08, 2010, 10:39:53 AM
that is awesome!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 22, 2010, 10:43:01 PM
Unless I decide a change is needed, I've finished all-new walls and backdrops for the mod.  I've been experimenting and refining my techniques for these types of art.  The results are varied. 

I ran out of room, tho, so the "Gears" backdrop, below, will not appear. 

I've still got much to do.  Combat Icons are about 90% done, but I'm waiting on finishing up the villains until nearer the end, for the sake of any possible last minute inspirations.  So, still plenty of time for more suggestions. 

I plan to begin work on a new make-your-own, generic superheroes CBody.  That will take a bit of time.  Why am I going to do that, when there are two or three already available?  Well, it's a sickness.  Maybe more choices might encourage more participants to this silly test-mod, tho. 

I'm only about half done replacing Combat Dungeons & Wildernesseseses.  There's more Pics and Sprites to do, as well.  Plus, I still have a new Title sequence and music to add. 

Like all my projects, this one is ballooning out of control quite nicely.   :P

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on March 23, 2010, 04:03:40 AM
Judging from the hobbit holes and the gears backdrop, this mod is going to be pretty crazy... I like it.  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on March 23, 2010, 09:31:29 PM
That's an awesome backdrop! If the rest of the art in the mod is half as good as this, then I can't wait to see it.

It would also work nicely as a backdrop for Regulus, the Realm of the Modrons.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 25, 2010, 09:59:54 AM
I'm working on the new CBody now. 

This might interest a few folks: 

Human being scale in UA combat icons vary a bit.  My icons may appear slightly taller or thicker than, say, Dan Autery's (I would guesstimate that mine would average perhaps six inches taller as fullscale humans).  Certain other artists may render their humans as even smaller in scale. 

Most of my human icons would not be able to stand up straight in a small-size combat box (which, for them, I would figure to be about five feet square).  Some artists have scaled their humans so that they could, and sometimes do, stand up straight.  There's no hard standard, it's simply a matter of artist's preference. 

UA's default CBody has a range of different human sizes because they drew from the styles of all the AD&D games which they had published before.  (The Buck Rogers games, btw, had humans that were on the smaller size.) 

The scale standard I adopted when I started, and have followed since, was from SSI's early, ega GoldBox games.  In fact, I have an example of a current icon I've completed, adapting such an ega icon, which demonstrates how close my scale is to their's.  She's a woman, and so a bit shorter than a male, and might stand about five and a half feet. 

(click to enlarge)
 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on March 26, 2010, 07:57:54 PM
Okay, since I can tell that everybody is super-interested, now, here's some sloppy math: 

The average (non-heroically proportioned) man is proportionally about 6 1/2 heads tall.  For myself, and a lot of FRUArtists, an icon head usually measures 4 pixels high (as was the case in the original GoldBoxes).  That would call for the average icon to measure (if he stood up straight) as 26 pixels tall. 

If we figure average human height as being 68 inches tall (5ft'8in), then one pixel will figure in scale to slightly over 2 1/2 inches.  That would make the small combat icon box, which is 24 pixels square, scale out to 2 or 3 inches over 5 feet square.  The average male figure, just a typical villager, even, would not be able to stand up straight in a small combat box. 

Working from there, a taller man, say at an even 6 feet, would stand around 28 pixels tall.  His head may be the same size in UA, so we would call his physique increasingly "heroically-proportioned" (a bit longer limbed).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on March 26, 2010, 10:24:37 PM
Convert, Convert, Convert!!!

5' 8"" = 26 PIXELS
68 in = 26 PIXELS
1 in = 0.382 PIXELS
1 PIXEL = 2.615 in
24 PIXELS = 62.769" = 5'3"
48 PIXELS = 125.538" = 10' 6"
72 PIXELS = 188.308" = 15' 8"

DC and FRUA both like multiples of 24 PIXELS for some reason.

<<TABLE OF 1st EDITION GIANT HEIGHTS>>

GIANT - HILL  : 10.5' = 48 PIXELS
GIANT - STONE : 12' = 55 PIXELS
GIANT - FIRE  : 12' = 55 PIXELS
GIANT - FROST : 15' = 69 PIXELS
GIANT - CLOUD : 18' = 83 PIXELS
GIANT - STORM : 21' = 96 PIXELS

FRUA allows us the 5 sizes:

24 x 24 MEDIUM - HUMAN               - 5'3" x 5'3"
24 x 48 WIDE   - DISPLACER BEAST  - 5'3" x 10'6"
48 x 24 TALL   - HILL GIANT           - 10'6" x 5'3"
48 x 48 LARGE  - DRAGON OLD        - 10'6" x 10'6"
72 x 48 BIG    - DRAGON ANCIENT   - 15'8" x 10'6"
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on March 30, 2010, 04:17:40 PM
Uatu and I have worked out an equivalent system for DC with translation to FRUA being 72" = 24 pixels. I guess using our number, though most of the FRUA icons have very big heads. :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 08, 2010, 11:22:15 PM
Well, I'm over halfway done with a new make-your-own superhero CBody.  Pretty soon, I'll start thinking about what supervillains might fill up the final openings for opponents in the mod. 

With that in mind, I'm contemplating what superpowers folks will probably gravitate towards.  I'm guessing Energy Blast (Fireball) or Energy Bomb (Delayed Blast Fireball) will probably be among the favorites.  I don't want folks to just load up on offensive area blasting powers, however.  I want to encourage well-rounded parties with diverse powers.  So, I'll want to make sure I have a few tough villains who will be immune to the above two spells. 

My question for ya'll is: What SHUA powers (spells in UA) will you likely consider must-haves?[/b]  (Use either SHUA names or UA names as you please.) 

With that knowledge, I can tailor at least a few combats that may be more challenging than others... 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 09, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
My question for ya'll is: What SHUA powers (spells in UA) will you likely consider must-haves?[/b]  (Use either SHUA names or UA names as you please.) 

Cloudkill!

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 09, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
Cloudkill!
 

That would be "Wall of Ice" in SHUA.  Hmm.  I don't know if cold immunities SpecAbs would work against that, or if I'd still have to do something anti-death or poison...   ???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 09, 2010, 11:18:47 AM
That would be "Wall of Ice" in SHUA.  Hmm.  I don't know if cold immunities SpecAbs would work against that, or if I'd still have to do something anti-death or poison...   ???

Null Null (http://ua.reonis.com/index.php?topic=957.0) noted that "immunity to poison" works against the "Cloudkill"-spell.

Unless someone has changed it in SHUA to be a "cold" spell.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Kaz-Keith on April 09, 2010, 01:09:40 PM

DC and FRUA both like multiples of 24 PIXELS for some reason.



*knows the reason* : let's hear it for the dyslexic answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on April 12, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
That would be "Wall of Ice" in SHUA.  Hmm.  I don't know if cold immunities SpecAbs would work against that, or if I'd still have to do something anti-death or poison...   ???

Null Null (http://ua.reonis.com/index.php?topic=957.0) noted that "immunity to poison" works against the "Cloudkill"-spell.

Unless someone has changed it in SHUA to be a "cold" spell.

I'm fairly certain that the radio button "Immune to Poison" will protect against the Wall of Ice (Cloudkill) power. It should also protect against Web Shooters (Stinking Cloud). Most (if not all) of the changes to the spells and specabs in SHUA are only name changes. The recent research into monster vulnerabilities / immunities would have been valuable when SHUA was being created.   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 16, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
Well, unless some mood hits me before its release, this will be the make-your-own-superheroes Cbody included in the mod. 

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on April 16, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
Nice Electric Blue and Meltdown Orange color scheme.

Now where is the color-cycling DUNG.TLB? ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 17, 2010, 01:50:56 AM
Well, unless some mood hits me before its release, this will be the make-your-own-superheroes Cbody included in the mod. 

Amazing, as always.  :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: blacklotus on April 17, 2010, 12:35:47 PM
Well, unless some mood hits me before its release, this will be the make-your-own-superheroes Cbody included in the mod. 

Amazing, as always.  :o

I concur. Thanks for the great artwork.  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 17, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
If I could add one more icon, it would be an all-black, Batman-style character. But maybe the concept is to have a lot of very "colorful" characters.   :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on April 17, 2010, 04:11:53 PM
Ooooo  Veddy nice!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 17, 2010, 05:32:26 PM
Nice Electric Blue and Meltdown Orange color scheme.
 

Yeah, those two should probably team up.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 17, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
Thanks for the compliments, folks   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 17, 2010, 11:07:49 PM
If I could add one more icon, it would be an all-black, Batman-style character. But maybe the concept is to have a lot of very "colorful" characters.   :)
 

What, Lamont Cranston in workboots isn't dark enough for you...?   :P

Pretty much the concept was just to provide as nice a range, in a comicbook style, as I could.  I plan to include this Cbody in Rocco Taku's mod, but a player could easily replace it with one of these below: 

Marscbod.gif shows one I threw together for my Marshal Mars mod.  Other than the Marshal (in slot #1), and maybe Jet Jupiter (#48), the rest are no-name generics (although #15 could easily pass for Marvel's Black Widow).  Obviously, these are all in my own, original style. 

For Superded, I assembled a Cbody using a wide variety of other FRUArtists work.  I made a few adjustments for the sake of consistency in skin color (for normal human tones), size, and shadows, etc., but no icon was original with me.  In slot #1 is Major Mystery, but the rest are no-name generics, again. 

Of course, Doc Sabre created the first Cbody for a make-your-own superheroes mod, Super Defenders, mixing some icons that look strangely familiar to comix fans with other, more generic types.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 17, 2010, 11:52:42 PM
Or, if a player wanted to try to recreate some established superheroes, they could do that, too, by replacing my Cbody with:

The standard SHUA Cbody, assembled by Nol... 

One of the other SHUA Cbodys floating around out there, like Septimus II's from A Dark Day for Liberty, which I think displays a decided preference for Marvel characters... 

Or, a player could use any other Cbody, really, like Devon 7's anime characters for his Yuyu mod (although I still disagree with him with regard to Mortal Kombat characters counting as anime)... 

Really, who's to say what a superhero should look like.  Is there any combat icon that couldn't be used as a superhero...?   ;)

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 19, 2010, 03:13:56 PM
I just saw Kick-@$$.  Terrific film.  It would make my top ten list of fave superhero movies, easily. 

It didn't exactly set the box-office on fire, but hopefully it will do well enough that we haven't seen the end of R-rated, harder edged, superhero movies. 

(Best music cue from the film:  The Banana Splits theme.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on April 19, 2010, 10:30:57 PM
An orange gorilla in dark sunglasses whose permanent grin displays a central tooth.

The late 60's were a strange time to be a child...

Haven't seen Kick-Ass yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 20, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
I just saw Kick-@$$.  Terrific film.  It would make my top ten list of fave superhero movies, easily. 

It didn't exactly set the box-office on fire, but hopefully it will do well enough that we haven't seen the end of R-rated, harder edged, superhero movies. 

(Best music cue from the film:  The Banana Splits theme.)

I think we could need a general movies-and/or "inspirations"-thread to discuss this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 20, 2010, 10:24:13 PM
I think we could need a general movies-and/or "inspirations"-thread to discuss this kind of stuff.
 

Good idea, but to connect this movie's chat more closely to SHUA: 

Hit Girl  comes off so well in the film, I've decided to give her comic character one of the coveted Title Pics in Rocco's mod.   ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on April 23, 2010, 09:36:01 PM
Hit Girl need a SmallPic?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 23, 2010, 11:28:34 PM
Hit Girl need a SmallPic?
 

I've already given her a midpic with Big Daddy, besides her own title pic.  That image was one of the contenders, but I went with another, instead. 

She's also going to be an NPC, who may possibly join the party at some point, for maybe one fight.  I've given her a combat icon that looks a little more like her movie costume than the comic (more purple). 

Have you seen the movie, yet, Nol? 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 06, 2010, 04:42:02 PM
I just saw Iron Man 2, and despite the film's not-so-good reviews, I thought the movie was decent. The cast was pretty good, and Robert Downey Jr. is almost always fun to watch.

The weak point in the Iron Man franchise seem to be the villains. Mickey Rourke did a good job, but did it have to be another robotic Iron-Man-Doppelganger in the final fight?
If they still don't introduce the Mandarin in the third installment, I can't see how they will keep this going.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 07, 2010, 10:57:05 PM
Warning: Iron Man 2 spoilers may explode on contact.  

I thought the movie was great.  Not perfect, but better than the first.  It had a much more expansive and satisfying climax than IR1.  Also, I enjoyed the (common-to-comicbooks, but rare-in-comicbook-movies) battle between two superheroes (Iron Man vs. War Machine). 

Yeah, I'd stick it in my top ten fave superhero movie list.  You have to give the lion's share of the credit to Downey, of course.  The FX are fine, the story's nice, the director does well, and the supporting cast is very good, but Downey continues to amaze.  Just as I'd praise Heath Ledger for the best supervillain performance in movies, I'd have to give Downey my vote for best superhero performance (over a lot of great ones from Christopher Reeve to Jackie Earle Haley).  His unarmored Tony Stark scenes are just as entertaining (if not moreso) as the Iron Man ones. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 07, 2010, 11:22:22 PM
I'm curious about the Thor movie that's in the works.  I wonder if they'll do justice to, IMO, the most important thematic element: Dr. Donald Blake. 

Blake should provide Thor with an inner conflict --a personal philosophical conflict, key to many of his motivations. 

Odin turns Thor into this mortal in order to teach him humility, but Blake ought to learn much more than that.  He becomes a man of science.  He's exposed to American ideals of democracy, equality, and social justice.  Perhaps he even chooses a non-Norse-mythology religion. 

When he learns he is Thor, there must be an integration between that personality and that of Blake.  He should never see Asgard as he once did.  His horizons, his perspective, his heart should be forever changed. 

The early comics played up this philosophical conflict, with his Earthly love, Jane Foster (thematically embodying his mortal values) causing much friction between Thor and his father, Odin (rigid Asgardian values).  This clearly struck a responsive chord with a generation of young teen readers who were questioning the values of their own parents.  Sadly, later authors completely Asgardianized Thor and this rich thematic vein was discarded. 

I wonder if the movie is going to recognize this goldmine within the character...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on May 08, 2010, 08:59:57 AM
Have you seen the single released pic of Chris Hemsworth as Thor?

I'm not overly impressed, yet I am not underwhelmed, either. I just did not get excited over it.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/04/30/thor-picture-chris-hemsworth-in-costume/ (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/04/30/thor-picture-chris-hemsworth-in-costume/)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 08, 2010, 09:17:51 AM
I just read that Kenneth Branagh will direct the "Thor" movie. Hmmm. I don't know what to make of that. He never directed any action pictures, except maybe for that odd "Frankenstein" movie from the 90s.
I wouldn't mind if he gave it a little "Henry V" flair, as long as he doesn't make the whole thing too shakesperian.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on May 08, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
Well, I for one am worried. I found a leaked script and it is horrible. Just look at this scene:

Exterior, Day - The god of thunder rides a winged steed above the craggy peaks of Jotunheim. The day is bright, the clouds are few, and the cold air whips the red cape in a streaming trail behind the yellow-bearded thunder god. The massive man raises a mighty hammer to the sky and howls in a deep baritone voice:

Mid-shot, centered on the Thunder God - "I'm Thor! I'm Thor!"

Closeup, winged steed - The white furred winged horse seems to roll its eyes and turns its head back to look at the crowing man upon its back. Surprisingly it speaks:

Winged Steed - "Then uthe a thaddle, thilly!"

See? Shameful writing.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 08, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
LOL!   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on May 08, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Have you seen the movie, yet, Nol?

I've seen Kick-Ass now, and I enjoyed it. When minor Marvel characters such as this get feature films, I wonder what's preventing movies about well-known DC characters such as Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, and Green Arrow?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 08, 2010, 10:59:39 PM
I've seen Kick-Ass now, and I enjoyed it.
 

I liked the movie much more than the comic -- which is not to say that I disliked the comic.  The comic just seems like it's coming from one direction, tunnel-visioned to its central theme, whereas the movie had multiple dynamics and intricacies.  I wonder, though, if it will earn enough money to warrant a sequel...   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on May 09, 2010, 08:49:38 AM
Kick-Ass 2: Kick-Assier ?

Red Mist gets corporate sponsorship from PepsiCo and changes his colors to green and name to Sierra Mist. Hit Girl is taken in by a large African-American lady with a penchant for donuts, only to find out her new foster mom is Fat Momma (http://z.about.com/d/realitytv/1/0/Z/t/FatMomma.jpg). Johnny Knoxville joins the cast a new mentor for Kick-Ass ... JackAss. Kick-Ass' girlfriend Katie joins his nocturnal forays as the sultry and better fighting superheroine - Whoop-Ass. The two of them wind up having a baby from that sex scene in the first movie. It is a child prodigy, a death-dealer in a diaper. They name him Half-Ass.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on May 09, 2010, 12:00:46 PM
Kick-Ass 2: Kick-Assier ?

The working title is Kick Ass 2: Balls to the Wall (2012).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 09, 2010, 07:41:39 PM
(This's all I better quote, since I'm a licensed minister)

Red Mist gets corporate sponsorship from PepsiCo and changes his colors to green and name to Sierra Mist.
 

LOL again, Vix!   :D 

I read in EW that Millar, the comic scribe, plans to change Red Mist's name in the follow-up to "Mother-F-word," so that folks will shout that at actor Christopher Mintz-Plasse instead of "McLovin."   :o  (I hope he was only kidding.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 09, 2010, 11:02:08 PM
BTW, Rocco's SHUA mod is presently at 2.24MB and continues to inflate nicely. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 10, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
Iron Man vs. Titanium Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmRLzBgyeY)

I hope that's not going to be the villain for Iron Man 3. The whole "Iron Man vs. Iron Man Replica"-plot seems to be a constant theme of the franchise.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on May 10, 2010, 02:39:19 PM
Iron Man vs Rust Monster!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 10, 2010, 02:47:50 PM
Yes, logically that should be his archnemesis.

(http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv143/YeOldeSchool/RustMonster-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 10, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
Iron Man vs. Titanium Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmRLzBgyeY)
 

I was a kid when these came out and watched them religiously every weekday.  The animation was super-cheap, but with stories and even whole lines of dialog taken straight out the comics, these Marvel toons rocked like few 60's kid shows could.  --Somewhat simplified for television, but, still, they were pure Marvel.   :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 10, 2010, 03:57:35 PM
I think they even used actual panels from the comics.

I remember that the "Iron Man" and "Thor" cartoons were aired here too, at some point during the late 80s / early 90s, but they looked really odd in between more recent animated series.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 10, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
I went to see Kick-@$$ again, today, to compare it with Iron Man 2.  IM2 will be around for weeks, making uber-bucks, while KA is almost expended, but, nevertheless, KA is the superior film of the two.  IM2 was well done and lots of fun, but KA is truly exquisite film-making.  The director's decisions are a joy to view.  I was wowwed all over again.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 10, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
I think they even used actual panels from the comics.
 

Oh, certainly.  This episode was a lot of Don Heck, but a bit of Gene Colan was sprinkled in. 

Often they removed backgrounds, leaving just the figures, too.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on May 11, 2010, 10:21:42 PM
I hope that's not going to be the villain for Iron Man 3. The whole "Iron Man vs. Iron Man Replica"-plot seems to be a constant theme of the franchise.

All the signs seem to indicate that they have been saving the Mandarin for Iron Man 3.

Let's hope they realize the Mandarin is perfectly capable of carrying the role of bad guy solo for 90 minutes. I wouldn't want to end up with the Green Goblin 2 / Sandman / Venom mish-mash that was Spider-Man 3.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 11, 2010, 10:47:46 PM
I liked the movie much more than the comic -- which is not to say that I disliked the comic.  The comic just seems like it's coming from one direction, tunnel-visioned to its central theme, whereas the movie had multiple dynamics and intricacies. 
 

WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE KICK-@$$ COMICBOOK AND THE MOVIE AHEAD...   

Because I'm in the mood, I'll pointlessly expound on a specific point or two re: comic vs. movie. 

I liked all of the changes the movie made to the comicbook story.  For example, in the comic, Big Daddy is not an ex-cop seeking revenge, he's just another comicbook geek wanting to do superhero stuff.  This may be seen as a weakness in the comic.  It gives Big Daddy an almost identical motivation as Kick-@$$ (needlessly redundant?), and stretches credibility, perhaps to the breaking point, that a comics geek could be so successful at uncovering and dismantling a major crime syndicate. 

In the movie, Big Daddy is an ex-cop.  One of the things this does is it turns Hit Girl and Red Mist into opposite sides of a coin.  They are both legacies in a war started by their fathers.  Their struggle becomes symbolistic.  The story, therefore, gains greater weight of meaning.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 11, 2010, 11:05:33 PM
Let's hope they realize the Mandarin is perfectly capable of carrying the role of bad guy solo for 90 minutes. I wouldn't want to end up with the Green Goblin 2 / Sandman / Venom mish-mash that was Spider-Man 3.
 

Spider-Man 3 did suffer from much bloating and excess, and its weaknesses were magnified all the more coming after the near perfection which was Spider-Man 2. 

Still, I think Sony has wildly over-reacted in firing Raimi and Toby, and drastically slashing the budget for the Spider-Man reboot film.  Even though 3 had the biggest budget ($258,000,000) and smallest domestic gross ($336,530,303) of the series, its worldwide gross was the largest of the three ($890,871,626).  If I were a Sony shareholder I'd be pulling my hair out at this apparently foolhardy gamble with the company's golden goose franchise. 

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 12, 2010, 03:19:25 PM
Spider-Man 3 did suffer from much bloating and excess, and its weaknesses were magnified all the more coming after the near perfection which was Spider-Man 2. 

Still, I think Sony has wildly over-reacted in firing Raimi and Toby, and drastically slashing the budget for the Spider-Man reboot film.  Even though 3 had the biggest budget ($258,000,000) and smallest domestic gross ($336,530,303) of the series, its worldwide gross was the largest of the three ($890,871,626).  If I were a Sony shareholder I'd be pulling my hair out at this apparently foolhardy gamble with the company's golden goose franchise.

Spider-Man 3 suffered the most from the producer's decision to cram Venom into the movie.

Still, I think "rebooting" the franchise at this point is absurd. "Spider-Man 3" was not nearly the disaster that "Batman & Robin" was.

In general, I've had it with Hollywood's remakes and reboots and "re-imaginings" and prequels and films based on toys and video games and other random nostalgia crap (http://www.filmhobbit.com/new/View-Master-The-Movie-13820.html).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 12, 2010, 07:36:09 PM
IMO, the biggest sin of Spider-Man 3 was that it messed with his origin.  "By the way, the real killer of your father was the Sandman."  (Too bad there's not an emoticon that's throwing up, 'cuz I could use one right here.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 12, 2010, 11:51:14 PM
Expanding a bit on my last post: 

A lot of superheroes' origins just tell how they gained their powers, like Captain America, or the Flash, or the Fantastic Four.  Other origins, however, are also vital in establishing and defining the psyche and motivations of the hero, such as for Superman or Batman.  Spider-Man's origin is of the latter type.  In fact, along with those other two big names, Spider-Man's origin is one of the most iconic in comics literature. 

Messing with that origin just to build up a grudge between Spider-Man and Sandman was a really cheap writer's ploy. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 13, 2010, 12:23:04 AM
IMO, the biggest sin of Spider-Man 3 was that it messed with his origin.  "By the way, the real killer of your father was the Sandman."  (Too bad there's not an emoticon that's throwing up, 'cuz I could use one right here.)

They probably got the idea from Tim Burton's first Batman movie: "The Joker killed Mom and Dad."
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Kaz-Keith on May 19, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
In general, I've had it with Hollywood's remakes and reboots and "re-imaginings" and prequels and films based on toys and video games and other random nostalgia crap (http://www.filmhobbit.com/new/View-Master-The-Movie-13820.html).

Hah.

A friend and I just had a loooong and well-belated rantfest about this subject.  A few of the more poker-in-the-fire-in-the-face points:

* why does the current trend of these sorts of films seem to be actively trying to alienate the faithful serial fans (who are the financiers of the paper worlds)?

* how is it that flavorless, texture-free pablum seems to be the only simile available for general modern moviemaking (other less-savory comparisons and discussions referring to baby food have been omitted)?

* why do I feel so excited when walking into the theatre, and so dumb when walking out?  Surely, it cannot be that I am twelve bucks a-lighter... seriously, though.  Somewhere, someblog, someone -must- have at least attempted/documented a few test scenarios measuring an average moviegoer's emotional state, iq, and biofeedback ratings prior to and post movie experience.  (my friend suggested an electronic means of exporting a viewer's ratings of the end product directly to the director(s) a la the Simpsons' therapy sessions, but that degenerated into a wholesale trial-by-fire for everyone involved, including and especially the final word folks at the represeting studio, and with means and devices far outweighing the comparatively-quick and easy electric shock.  We stopped ourselves at class-action lawsuits on behalf of disgruntled viewers, though punitive damages were lightly touched upon, namely my twelve bucks.)

* we will both still be in line when Dark Crystal 2 premieres.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 20, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
* we will both still be in line when Dark Crystal 2 premieres.

I thought you were making a joke, but it's true (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460907/).

One can only hope that they don't make it completely CGI.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on May 20, 2010, 08:45:08 PM
Q: What do you get when you mix:

1) Random Nostalgia Crap
2) Flavorless, Texture-Free Pablum
and
3) 3-D?

A: Box-Office Gold!

Coming Soon to a theatre near you:
Tudor NFL Electric Football Game in Real 3D (2012)
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgFZIS_a3CE)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 21, 2010, 08:24:47 AM
*Gets popcorn and 3D-glasses, klicks on link*

...

...

 >:(
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 21, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
I got one of those stupid football games for Christmas when it first came out.  "Igor, turn on the crazy-ray!"
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on June 10, 2010, 04:14:58 PM
This guy is so special, he could turn up in both your superhero mod and your toy mod:

Is it a bird? Is is a plane? No, it's Specialman!

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/01/specialman-456.jpg)

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on June 17, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
Here's the next flash of inspiration by Hollywood producers, especially for all you gnome and xvart lovers out there (I heard the UA community is full of them  ;) ):

A SMURF MOVIE!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORMBJvkXSc&feature=related)

Not just that, it's going to take place in the REAL WORLD!!! In NEW YORK!!! Who has ever thought of such an ingenious scenario before?!  ::)
(I'm instantly reminded of some characters in Ben J's design...  :D )
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 17, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Which actress do we get to paint blue for Smurfette...?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on June 17, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Never mind, it's partly animated with CGI effects and it's in 3D, so it's got to be good, right?  :-X
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on June 17, 2010, 03:19:14 PM
Hank Azaria will be playing Gargamel, but he won't be trying to catch them to eat them ... just for use in some charms or magic or something.

If you want to make almost any sentence sound dirty, substitute the word "smurf" for one or two in the sentence. Like they did in the cartoons.

"You are one big smurfin' guy. I'm going to have to smurf you right in your smurf!"
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on June 17, 2010, 03:25:52 PM
I remember getting some serious trouble from my mom when I was a kid for telling my little brother that he was full of horse smurf and for telling him to smurf off. :) I recall other kids doing this kid of thing at school as well.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on June 17, 2010, 11:29:39 PM
A SMURF MOVIE!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORMBJvkXSc&feature=related)

When I smurfed that smurfer, it was so smurfing smurfy, I nearly smurfed!

Slacker Smurf Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayF0V0-kLzk)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on June 18, 2010, 02:38:06 AM
Not just that, it's going to take place in the REAL WORLD!!! In NEW YORK!!!

So which is it? The real world, or New York? ???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on June 18, 2010, 03:04:48 AM
Not just that, it's going to take place in the REAL WORLD!!! In NEW YORK!!!

So which is it? The real world, or New York? ???

 :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 26, 2010, 07:21:02 PM
JONAH HEX

Yes, this Western based on a DC Comics series posted one of the worst wide-release debuts in the history of comic-book movies.  But at least it wasn't the worst opening of the summer, that dubious honor still goes to MacGruber. 
--Entertainment Weekly

Heh, I saw 'em both.  When I left MacGruber, I was thinkin' to myself, "Man, I shoulda gone to see The A-Team

Knight and Day is a really good movie, tho. 

Back to comics, I have no Jonah Hex villains in the mod, or any Western comics characters, although I have thought about including a pic of the Two-Gun Kid, or the original Ghost Rider...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on June 27, 2010, 04:41:41 AM
The movie I'm really looking forward to seeing this year is Inception (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XzUYd6nrU).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on June 27, 2010, 09:37:52 AM
"A-Team" was brainless fun with 'splosions. The plot twists are obvious, though. And the commercials show most of the cool stuff. Unless you want a brainless, fun movie with 'splosions, wait for the DVD.



Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on June 27, 2010, 04:51:58 PM
There was a moment in the A-Team trailer that stretched credibility even more than the infamous "fridge" moment in Indy 4.
I don't think I'll watch this film.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on June 27, 2010, 07:27:09 PM
credibility, schmedibility. I want credibility I'll go watch some Cannes Film Festival Top pick movie or crap. I want brainless bugnuts fun with 'splosions, I'm watching a movei like A-Team.

And, the scene in question makes a little more sense in the context of the movie. It is still bugnuts and quite possibly impossible, but you cannot sit there and tell me the little kid in side you is not going, "That is cool!" And if you can, then I pine for the little kind inside you for he is obviously mistreated. ~.^

Too many people go into a movie with preconceptions. I go to have fun and enjoy myself.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on June 28, 2010, 05:17:59 AM
credibility, schmedibility. I want credibility I'll go watch some Cannes Film Festival Top ick movie or crap. I want brainless bugnuts fun with 'splosions, I'm watching a movei like A-Team.

And, the scene in question makes a little more sense in the context of the movie. It is still bugnuts and quite possibly impossible, but you cannot sit there and tell me the little kid in side you is not going, "That is cool!" And if you can, then I pine for the little kind inside you for he is obviously mistreated. ~.^

Too many people go into a movie with preconceptions. I go to have fun and enjoy myself.

Vix, I don't think that's quite fair. People go to the movies for different reasons and not everyone enjoys the same things. Even though you didn't literally say that, to me your post sounds as if you think those who prefer Cannes Film Festival Top "ick movies or crap" over "brainless bugnuts with 'slosions" are just mistreating their inner child and can't have fun and properly enjoy themselves. I watch both blockbusters and auteur movies and I enjoy the best of both worlds. But I think everyone has the right to be critical about movie concepts and executions without having to think of themselves as humorless spoilsports, in the same way that everyone has the right to just let themselves be entertained by cinema, regardless of a movie's quality. (But you don't even have to feel entertained by the same things as other people.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 28, 2010, 10:47:45 AM
Heh, heh, I think you missed the point of her wink emoticon, Olivier.  ;) 

--mistreated. ~.^
 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on June 28, 2010, 11:11:42 AM
Now you're making me look like a humorless spoilsport, too, hans. ;) (as if I didn't already do a good enough job of it myself  ;D )
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on June 28, 2010, 02:47:45 PM
credibility, schmedibility. I want credibility I'll go watch some Cannes Film Festival Top ick movie or crap. I want brainless bugnuts fun with 'splosions, I'm watching a movei like A-Team.

And, the scene in question makes a little more sense in the context of the movie. It is still bugnuts and quite possibly impossible, but you cannot sit there and tell me the little kid in side you is not going, "That is cool!"

I don't think that there is a dichotomy that consists of "the dumbest thing I ever saw, but fun" on the one side, and "watching-paint-dry-in-real-time arthouse movie from Cannes" on the other, with nothing in between.

There needs to be some sort of credible threat for an action movie to succeed. If there are no clear limits of what the hero can or can't do, if the hero can survive anything, then there is not tension, and the action movie falls flat. Case in point: The fridge scene in Indy 4. What's next? Indy surviving a planet collision by surfing through space on a piece of CGI planet-debris while the Indy Theme plays in the background?

The first „Die Hard“ is a good action movie precisely because McClane doesn't walk down the side of the Nakatomi Plaza with his machine gun firing towards the ground, so the recoil would keep him in a horizontal position.
That would make as much sense as that tank scene in „A-Team“.

But this is a never-ending discussion on movie boards and blogs. I still remember all the fridge posts on the imdb boards in 2008... ;)




Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on June 29, 2010, 04:50:29 PM
Considering I like to watch all types of movies, including art-house type films, and as hans pointed out ... you missed my point Olivier. ;p

Basically, if i go see a movie called "Angela's Ashes" (and knowing it based on a book by Frank McCourt) I do not expect to see tanks falling from the sky. Conversely, if i go to a movie called "A-Team" (and knowing it is based a cheesy 80's tv show) I don't expect to see taut character development (though I do expect to see the ridiculous).

Is the tank scene ridiculous beyond all reason? Absolutely!
Is the tank scene stupid beyond sanity? No question!
Did the little kid in me sit there wide-eyed recalling how her GI Joe battle tank flew alongside her thundercats riding My Little Pony's battling Darth Vader and Mum-Ra during the tank scene and get just a little giddy? Damn Straight!

and now you are wondering how cool a flying GI Joe tank and Thundercats riding My Little ponies while fighting Darth Vader and Mum-Ra would look on the big screen, aren't you?  You know you'd go watch it.

^.^;;;
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 29, 2010, 10:22:32 PM
I've started to get a little more freetime.  Mom's doing well, making good progress.  So, I've been splitting some time between playing Ben's mod and working on Rocco's crazy SHUA project. 

Red She-Hulk is in.  (click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on July 11, 2010, 11:11:53 PM
Hellboy foe, the vampire luchadore <Mexican wrestler> Camazotz is in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Kaz-Keith on July 12, 2010, 12:05:49 AM
and now you are wondering how cool a flying GI Joe tank and Thundercats riding My Little ponies while fighting Darth Vader and Mum-Ra would look on the big screen, aren't you?  You know you'd go watch it.

Er... would that be the crustified ancient of muu-muu Mum-Ra or the just-sucked-a-dozen-innocent-souls-down and is now superbuft Mum-Ra?

Snarf snarf.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on July 14, 2010, 05:54:53 PM
New image from the upcoming "Thor" movie. It has Anthony Hopkins wearing a golden eyepatch and it looks cheesy as hell.

Somehow I doubt that this is going to be as good as "Iron Man", but I will let myself be surprised.   :)

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.cinematical.com/media/2010/07/thorimage.jpg)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on July 15, 2010, 03:53:47 PM
Hey, hans! This link is for you ... no nerdgasming now.

http://twitchfilm.net/news/2010/07/first-teaser-for-ultraman-zero-arrives.php (http://twitchfilm.net/news/2010/07/first-teaser-for-ultraman-zero-arrives.php)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on July 15, 2010, 07:12:49 PM
Thanks for the link, Vix!   :D 

Many years ago, I had done some pre-lim work for a mod that would've been done in the style of Japanese live-action superheroes & rubber-suited monsters.  I doubt that I'll ever ressurect that idea, but I did convert a few of the icons I had done then for Rocco's upcoming SHUA mod.  You might be able to pick them out for their Japanese-camp flair from the CBody screencap I posted awhile back in this thread...  ;) 

(see page 14)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 02, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
Expect to fight some number of Marvel Comic's lava men. 

I'm trying to anticipate what some favorite superpowers might be, and I expect that the SHUA version of a Fireball spell will be a popular choice.  I want to have some foes, however, where that spell will be useless, so that players will encouraged to dream up varied, well-rounded parties of supers.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Null Null on August 03, 2010, 07:52:55 AM
right. you'd use selective immunities so they'd have to carry around 'one of each'.

You could also give them immunities to cold, electricity, and fire (was that radiation, heat, and electricity in SHUA?) and lots of HP and good AC, making the psychic class actually useful.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 03, 2010, 04:50:11 PM
You could also give them immunities to cold, electricity, and fire (was that radiation, heat, and electricity in SHUA?) and lots of HP and good AC, making the psychic class actually useful.
 

Yes, this is the sort of thing the mod is being designed to explore.  Creating a good dozen or more varied fights against a wide range of offensive and defensive powers, then getting (I hope) lots of good, specific feedback, here at the forums, on what made for challenging yet balanced combats, it should provide a valuable lesson for both authors & players of future make-your-own-PCs SHUA mods.  (I must remember to start a thread focused on combat comments once I release the mod...) 

A make-your-own-PCs SHUA mod will, I'm sure, be a very different animal from any of the other UA genres.  The variety and combinations of powers, coupled with their narrowed specialization aspect, will surely make for unique variables.  That's why I'm not rushing into my PoR-inspired SHUA idea, but want to see what this Rocco Taku experiment will show, first.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 07, 2010, 02:48:04 PM
One of the least-loved Iron Man villains, Firebrand, will appear.  He's another one that will provide a challenge for fireball-happy players. 

I want to include a couple of mind-controlling villains, too...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 14, 2010, 07:59:46 PM
Playing Nol's SHUA demo, again, underscored for me how tricky creating a make-your-own-SuperPCs mod might be. 

His starting party level is 4-5, which is what I was contemplating for the Rocco project.  His starting power points are not extravagent, either, perhaps only slightly higher than I'm thinking about for Rocco's.  I created a party of each Race type and one each of Class. 

The 4 demo fights were mostly walks-in-the-park.  I only had to return to Prof. X, once, to get a member healed of paralysis. 

This shows me why it might be tricky: 

Altogether, the party can easily afford to outfit themselves with several of the most powerful offensive and defensive spells (powers) in the game.  Mere human criminals will likely fall like kobolds before them.  To make a challenging fight might call for at least two or three high-powered villains, while a big boss battle would call for something just short of Kryptonian...   :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 14, 2010, 08:14:15 PM
Desire from Sandman.... Dream looks kinda evil looking if nobody already did him as a hero or perhaps Death? is Lady Death up from Deadpool or (you've seen Thanos worship her in Silver Surfer stuff)???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on August 15, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
Altogether, the party can easily afford to outfit themselves with several of the most powerful offensive and defensive spells (powers) in the game.  Mere human criminals will likely fall like kobolds before them.  To make a challenging fight might call for at least two or three high-powered villains, while a big boss battle would call for something just short of Kryptonian...   :o

The SHUA Demo is not meant to have balanced combats. Its purpose is for a player to get used to using super powers to defeat some Villains.

If you have identified several Powers which make the demo fights too easy (wand of unlimited DBF for example), you could remove those Powers from the Shop. Now that the PCs can no longer purchase the most powerful offensive and defensive spells, you can give those Powers to the Villains instead.  ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 15, 2010, 07:47:36 PM
The SHUA Demo is not meant to have balanced combats. Its purpose is for a player to get used to using super powers to defeat some Villains.

If you have identified several Powers which make the demo fights too easy (wand of unlimited DBF for example), you could remove those Powers from the Shop. Now that the PCs can no longer purchase the most powerful offensive and defensive spells, you can give those Powers to the Villains instead.  ;D
 

I've considered going that way.  Maybe not for the Rocco project, but when I do the SHUA-PoR, restricting the players to maybe half of the powers -- the less powerful half -- until the second half of the game when I might give them a chance to buy more. 

I'd like to let players of the Rocco project have a chance to play with the full range of options, tho.  (His mod has so little going for it.) 

For Rocco, I might give less power points or start the PCs at still lower levels.  (I've also considered hacking the powers to make the doombringer ones even more expensive, but I really would like to keep to basic SHUA for this project and also for the future SHUA-PoR.)

Once I finish the first draft, which will still not be for awhile, yet, I'll be playtesting it for sometime, I'm sure, trying to tweak the combat balance.  The mod is meant to be a learning experience, after all.   :P

Other suggestions on how to achieve a good balance are certainly welcome...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 16, 2010, 09:08:07 PM
I know it has probably been discussed but I haven't looked at ALL the art for the heroes n villians yet, but was wondering if someone could make or assure me that it has been made: MR. SINISTER icons and pics, I want to eventually try doing a Cable storyline quest. and need cable combat icons n such as well as APOCALYPSE pics n icons. did someone make Sentinel icons for those giant, annoying robots?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on August 16, 2010, 11:05:45 PM
Much of what you seek is at the  SHUA Web Site  (http://members.fortunecity.com/noldrek/shua/index.html).

Marvall1  has the following:
PMCABLE1.PCX   Cable   Painted art
PMCABLE2.PCX   Cable   Painted art
PMCABLE3.PCX   Cable   Painted art

Xmen2 has:
pxapocyl.pcx   Apocalypse
pxmrsins.pcx   Mr. Sinister

Xmenpic has:
P_APOCAL.PCX   Apocalypse
P_MRSIN3.PCX   Mr. Sinister

Shua2 has:
C_SNTNL    Sentinel  Combat Icon

And Villain has:
C_SNSTER.PCX   Mr Sinister  Combat Icon
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 20, 2010, 10:06:58 PM
Well, I think I'm done with adding new music. 

This leaves just a bunch more Pics, Big Pics, Sprites, Combat Dungeons & Wildernesseseses to finish and then the writing and fine-tuning. 

Boy, this little project has ballooned like a zeppelin!   :P 

I do hope I can finish it this year...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 20, 2010, 10:32:23 PM
what the current proj exactly SHUA? a new character?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on August 21, 2010, 10:57:03 AM
The project which hans is talking about is a SHUA mod where you create your own super heroes.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 21, 2010, 11:19:05 AM
good luck. the way it is now is pretty nice too nol drek thank you everyone. i have a few fanboy friends who are into dbz n db universe so i want to make them a mod after I finish this one. the db mod i want to make will be pretty short just to get them to shut up, and proving what good work you all do.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 21, 2010, 03:54:04 PM
what the current proj exactly SHUA? a new character?
 

At some point in the future, I'd like to do a make-your-own-PCs SHUA mod similar in construction to Pool of Radiance, the first Goldbox game.  (So far, all the SHUA mods have been for pre-gens). 

However, since SHUA (mostly) uses super-power items instead of spells, the variables of combat balance are going to be quite different from FRUA.  Therefore, before even getting into the initial planning stages of that future mod, I figured it would be a good idea to do a test mod consisting of almost nothing but a series of different combinations of super-power combats.  From this I hope to learn some good tricks for making tough but winnable SHUA fights. 

Since the idea seemed unworthy to called a "hans mod" (I do have my artistic integrity to consider, after all) I gave this project to Rocco Taku and it immediately went to his head.  He insists on tons of new art, and all new music, even tho there'll be only the measliest, poor excuse for a storyline.  Talk about delusions of grandeur.  All I want to get a better understanding of SHUA fights and he's going all to masterpieces.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 21, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
well eventually after everything.. obviously not an easy task. if you are making a Pool of Radiance basic mod then you "could" do music n some new art, but liek you said that seems beside the point. that's fluff stuff.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on August 21, 2010, 04:32:12 PM
 :o Fluff Stuff?  :o

Not to everyone, it isn't.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on August 22, 2010, 02:41:45 AM
When you consider the amount of time that goes into creating a new piece of art for SHUA, from a combat icon or a small pic to a title or a wall set, it's hard to call it fluff.

In some respects, FRUA is a graphic storytelling engine...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 22, 2010, 08:24:46 AM
oh i agree I love the art n wallsets and titles they make it entertaining, which makes the game something playable repeatedly. I meant though, IMO the big picture should be coding it to work as close to 100% bug-free as possible before anything else (I referred to as fluff). srry.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 22, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
Oh, we've had other terms, like "eye candy," thown around over the years.   :D

Playability is vital, as you point out, but probably just as important is whether a mod is worth playing

Playability is fairly easy to determine -- no major bugs, no unsolvable game-stopping puzzles, no unwinnable game-stopping fights, etc. 

Whether a mod is worth playing is a bit harder to quantify...and considerably more subjective... 

To meet that goal, a mod must be fun, or exciting, or sufficiently illicit some other intellectual or emotion response from a player in a positive way. 

What elements are necessary (or when blended with other elements help) to achieve one or more of those criteria?  Interesting story?  Immersive world?  High drama?  Humor?  Challenging fights?  Brain-teasers?  Surprises?  ...? 

New art and/or music are certainly helpful elements, but unless truly extraordinary, are not in themselves enough to make a mod worth playing.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: T. on August 22, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
New art and/or music are certainly helpful elements, but unless truly extraordinary, are not in themselves enough to make a mod worth playing.

Ah, you're being humble. I'd play damn near anything if it had custom hans artwork made for it!

And it's good to see the PoR SHUA design being given so much thought. Even at this early a stage I can't help but be excited. Perhaps it will be the one to dethrone The Sect as FRUA's best design... (no pressure!)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on August 23, 2010, 02:26:25 AM
And it's good to see the PoR SHUA design being given so much thought. Even at this early a stage I can't help but be excited. Perhaps it will be the one to dethrone The Sect as FRUA's best design... (no pressure!)

*blushes*


A while ago, I wrote in this forum that I'd love to see an epic, non-linear design by hans (expanding on the free exploration aspects that were already present in "Kill the Heroes of Phlan"). This could be this design.
But since hans usually creates and/or converts all of the artwork himself, it will be a gigantic project that could potentially take forever to realize.

If I can be of any help with this project, let me know, hans. :)

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 23, 2010, 06:39:15 AM
yeah ben J, someone on the yahoo group for FRUA was asking about the sect, and another was reviewing it. I said "Most ppl on FRUA forums, commonly accept The Sect, as the best module written for FRUA thusfar."
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on August 23, 2010, 07:52:37 AM
yeah ben J, someone on the yahoo group for FRUA was asking about the sect, and another was reviewing it. I said "Most ppl on FRUA forums, commonly accept The Sect, as the best module written for FRUA thusfar."

 :)

Well, I've spent a lot of time on the game, but still, the reactions exceeded my expectations by far!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 23, 2010, 10:52:21 AM
But since hans usually creates and/or converts all of the artwork himself, it will be a gigantic project that could potentially take forever to realize.
 

Yes, I could be a very old man by the time I finish it, so ya'll will have to stick around.   ;D 

Very few of my mods have needed any groundwork of note planning.  Exceptions would be OAOA and Kill the Heroes of Phlan.  The latter just because I wanted to research Ashabenford so that I could make it somewhat adhere to established Forgotten Realms canon. 

SHUA-PoR will take loads of pre-planning.  I have the basic structure of Pool of Radiance to guide me, but one night when I got the urge to begin some notes, I realized that creating adversaries was going to require a better understanding of good SHUA combat balance. 

Hence the Rocco Taku SHUA project, which seems like its gonna take a year, itself, to complete.  Oofdah!   :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: T. on August 24, 2010, 01:00:40 AM
Oofdah!

Ahh! Haven't heard that word since I was in Minnesota, years ago. Reminds me of my grandparents  :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 24, 2010, 06:26:54 AM
are there any stars backdrops for SHUA or SFUA (sci-fi) or should I make a post to ask? I looked all over, did I overlook it?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on August 24, 2010, 07:59:26 AM
are there any stars backdrops for SHUA or SFUA (sci-fi) or should I make a post to ask? I looked all over, did I overlook it?

A stars backdrop can be found here (http://frua.corhub.com/bck_drps11.htm#BD-Other).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on August 24, 2010, 03:21:35 PM
Oofdah!

Ahh! Haven't heard that word since I was in Minnesota, years ago. Reminds me of my grandparents  :D

Ironically, I never heard this while in Minnesota (3+ years), except at the "Norwegian Independence Day" festivities. :)
But if I were to ask any of my friends, they would associate "oofday" as the thing most likely to be said by a Minnesotan. :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 24, 2010, 04:31:17 PM
Ahh! Haven't heard that word since I was in Minnesota, years ago. Reminds me of my grandparents  :D
 

My Grandpa Hanson used to play us old records of Yogi Yorgesson songs, back when I was a kid.  I reckon that's where I got my first taste of nordic humor.  I probably first heard "Oofdah" at his house.  He always used to greet us kids with a jolly "Heigh-ho!" as well.   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on August 24, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
I remember the local radio station playing Yogi Yorgesson's "I yust go nuts at Christmas" during the holiday season every year. :D I think my grandfather also had a record of Mr. Yorgesson's that got played often enough that I remember it, but not often enough that I grew tired of it.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Olivier Leroux on August 25, 2010, 04:14:49 AM
are there any stars backdrops for SHUA or SFUA (sci-fi) or should I make a post to ask? I looked all over, did I overlook it?

I think there's an even better stars backdrop than the one Ben J pointed you to (although not color-cycling, I think). I used it in my unreleased and unfinished Planescape design but at the moment I don't remember where I got it from. As will all other things, if you remind me of it next week when I'm back home, I can help you out and send it to you (and/or add it to the TLB collection (http://ua.reonis.com/index.php?topic=1000.0)).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 25, 2010, 06:19:46 AM
cool, the Thanos Quest mod is my side-project so I have plenty of time to get the backdrops n walls correct. the easy thing about SHUA mods, if you're using source material, you can use plenty of images from the graphic novel (aka comic) as your small n big images.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 25, 2010, 11:34:37 PM
Hector Hammond, the Green Lantern villain is in. 

I understand he'll be the main badguy in next Summer's GL movie. 

I always considered him a B-lister, but this movie exposure is sure to bump him up to A-list status.  I hope that doesn't give him a swelled head...   ::)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 26, 2010, 06:36:25 AM
 ;D green lantern was my fav JL character, but I never liked how he could stop a green kryptonite meteor the size of dallas, but could never stop a lemon or a banana just because they are yellow. damn, as a villian I could just paint myself yellow and punch him in the face. (Hal Jordon should be shot, IMO worst GL ever)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 26, 2010, 09:51:14 AM
(Hal Jordon should be shot, IMO worst GL ever)
 

Okay, he did try to destroy the universe, and when that didn't work went all moody-dead-Spectre to kill people for awhile, but can we blame the writers and not the poor, helpless fictional character...?   :P
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 29, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
Old-timey JLA villainess, Queen Bee is in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on August 30, 2010, 06:12:53 AM
 :D she was a good villian I liked her and Braniac as well as Lex Luthor. when i think wwLLD>? (what would lex luthor do) it's usually the biggest jerk thing possible, but always somewhat subtle. I always think of lex luthor being the ultimate JLA villian from his being a jerk, intelligence and relentlessness. who u like?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on August 31, 2010, 11:21:02 AM
:D she was a good villian I liked her and Braniac as well as Lex Luthor. when i think wwLLD>? (what would lex luthor do) it's usually the biggest jerk thing possible, but always somewhat subtle. I always think of lex luthor being the ultimate JLA villian from his being a jerk, intelligence and relentlessness. who u like?
 

Many great arch-foes of different individual heroes showed up to fight the JLA, individually, or in groups (think Legion of Doom).  Many of these foes will appear in Rocco's mod. 

As far as villains who were first, and primarily, JLA villains, I always liked their parallel universe dopplegangers, The Crime Syndicate of AmericaThe Royal Flush Gang and Starbreaker were also interesting to me, at least visually.  However, none of these should be expected to appear in the mod.   :-\

One who will is Doctor Light.  I really became fond of him when they started writing him as a fairly ineffectual loser.  When he switched over to sadistic rapist (Identity Crisis), I liked him less, again.  Nevertheless, for old times sake, he will appear.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 01, 2010, 11:07:16 AM
Sometimes I ponder what it might have been like had some of the great directors of bygone days tried their hands at a superhero movie... 

Early in his career Woody Allen might've done a great Inferior Five movie, with himself starring as Merryman... 

Cecil B. Demille might've done a truly epic Thor movie, starring Tab Hunter in the title role , surrounded by many a-list actors...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on September 01, 2010, 08:22:57 PM
speaking of which, a lot of people nowadays forget the Punisher from the 80's (film) and the Hulk (films) with Thor in one of them. we all remember Superman. I always thought a Green Lantern or Flash film would be interesting if done with correct characters and actors (Wally West Flash not the other one) (*John Henry green lantern). I liked the yellow villian guy in super friends. Hey Hans is there Darkseid or his lackeys combat icons for SHUA? My buddy keeps pestering me to do a JL vs Darkseid mod for SHUA. I keep telling him eventually.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on September 01, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
I always thought a Green Lantern or Flash film would be interesting if done with correct characters and actors (Wally West Flash not the other one) (*John Henry green lantern).

I guess it depends on what you grew up with. To me, Barry Allen is the Flash and Hal Jordan is the Green Lantern. I always think of Wally West as being the Kid Flash, and I kind of like John Stewart, though I think of him as a substitute for the real Green Lantern. I suppose if I had grown up in the 1940's, I would think that Jay Garrick is the real Flash, Alan Scott is the one true Green Lantern, and that Barry and Hal are just pretenders.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 01, 2010, 11:38:56 PM
Hey Hans is there Darkseid or his lackeys combat icons for SHUA? My buddy keeps pestering me to do a JL vs Darkseid mod for SHUA. I keep telling him eventually.
 

Darkseid is too powerful to fight for the PC levels I'm planning for the Rocco Taku SHUA project.  He's arguably more powerful than Superman.  (I do believe that someone else did an icon for him, tho.)

I don't find his usual lackeys, like Kalibak or Mantis to be very interesting.  Unlike their master, they never really captured my imagination.   

I tried a Lashina icon, but her costume just doesn't look good when reduced that small.   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 02, 2010, 12:14:23 AM
I kind of like John Stewart, though I think of him as a substitute for the real Green Lantern.

Jon Stewart is the Green Lantern?

(http://poponthepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jon-stewart.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on September 02, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
everyone thinks Hal Jordan as Green Lantern, and some people think John Stewart :)
j/k I like Hal Jordan's origins etc. but as my rant earlier, just can't fathom liking a bad guy, even when he was good... he willingly became evil. but man he was a good one-shot villain (for reference see DC Zero Hour)

I think a Wonder Woman film would be good, but I don't know many guys who are too into wonder woman unless shes looking like Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie. Aquaman always seems lame for a film, he can swim fast so Michael Phelps can control fish?

what DC movie should they do next? Technically, Losers was not even a super hero film.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 02, 2010, 08:21:27 AM
what DC movie should they do next? T

Green Arrow!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 02, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
what DC movie should they do next?
 

Teen Titans, go!   :D 

From a business standpoint, it seems TT would be a good thing to try.  They've got some general audience recognition because of the Cartoon Network series, plus Robin is a familiar commodity. 

You could say that a Justice League movie should be a go for all the same reasons, but better.  However, Warner Bros. seems to figure that Superman and Batman, and maybe now Green Lantern, and possibly Wonder Woman, are too valuable on their own.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on September 02, 2010, 05:41:35 PM
Upcoming superhero movies:

With Release Dates
Green Hornet
Green Lantern
Captain America
Thor
Avengers
X-Men: First Class
Transformers 3
Spider-Man (reboot)
Batman 3
Conan (no release date but are filming)

Possible w/in next 2-3 years (being shopped or talked about)
Wolverine 2
Iron Fist
Ghost Rider 2
GI Joe 2
Iron Man 3
Deadpool

Rumored
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Silver Surfer
Luke Cage
Thundercats
Superman
Flash

Doc Strange and Luke Cage are pretty good shots at being made into short films released in front of feature films. Iron fist, too, but right now they are talking feature for Danny Rand.

Of all of the movies for sure coming out, I am iterested in GL the most, followed by tie for Thor and Cap, then Avengers.

Of the in-the-works and rumored ... Iron Fist (even before the made ones), Ant-Man, Flash







Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 02, 2010, 06:54:27 PM
Warner needs to move quick on the next Superman movie, which might their last, before some basic copyrights on the character revert to the estates of Siegal & Shuster. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: manikus on September 02, 2010, 07:33:45 PM
To add a little bit more confirmation to Vix's list:


Thundercats - 2011 television series, 2012 movie (IMDB)
G.I. Joe sequel - writers and director on board (Washington Post)
Wolverine 2 - 2011 release (IMDB)
X-Men: First Class - 2011 release (IMDB) with Kevin Bacon as Sebastian Shaw...
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - 2011 (IMDB)
Deadpool - 2012 (IMDB)
Iron Fist - 2012 (IMDB)
Iron Man 3 - 2012 (IMDB)

Plus...
The Smurfs in 2011 (IMDB)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on September 02, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
I think a Wonder Woman film would be good, but I don't know many guys who are too into wonder woman unless shes looking like Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie. Aquaman always seems lame for a film, he can swim fast so Michael Phelps can control fish?

what DC movie should they do next? Technically, Losers was not even a super hero film.

Wonder Woman is the next logical character after Superman and Batman. Aquaman, Green Arrow, Flash, Hawkman, Martian Manhunter, Sandman, and Robin are all marketable characters as well. If we're talking about superhero teams, then I would go with the Justice League, Teen Titans, Legion of Super-Heroes, and Justice Society in that order.

Personally, I'd love a movie about the Doom Patrol, but I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

Wonder Woman's greatest foe: gender stereotypes.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on September 03, 2010, 04:55:55 PM
Sandman will have an hour-long television show .. soon.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on September 03, 2010, 06:13:31 PM
I heard he might have a Sandman show. Neil said if it was done correctly then he would be into it.  I wish.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 03, 2010, 10:07:12 PM
I heard there was talk of also turning Astro City into a cable tv show. 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on September 04, 2010, 07:30:40 AM
I was reading comics last night and i stumbled upon  the craziest plot I've ever read. I doubt anyone else has heard of anything this epic, but i wondered how it would work in a fantasy world or other than Metahumans.   in this example Thanos once again has achieved ultimate power over the universe, but the catch... as soon as he did, he realized there was a fundamental flaw in reality and the universe would destroy itself shortly anyway because it was basically a terminal illness the universe had.  He was the only being who knew the truth and nobody believed him (because he is known as being insane and evil). He killed every super hero and villian because nobody would try and help him at all. (the very end is beautiful, Thanos decides to destroy himself to save everyone and is rewarded with what he always wanted, the love of Death.)  :'(
(Marvel Comic arc THE END)

I was thinking anyone whos familiar with Forgotten Realms, if Cyric attained incredible power even more than AO. then he realized the universe was flawed, needed to destroy it anyway, would any gods believe him?

I just thought that would be an epic plot and make a truly tragic character, even a villain can be redeemed.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on September 04, 2010, 11:28:09 AM
I've read that series. It was pretty cool.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 06, 2010, 09:43:37 AM
About the jungle-themed villains: Doesn't The Phantom have some?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 06, 2010, 05:22:35 PM
About the jungle-themed villains: Doesn't The Phantom have some?
 

You'd think so, or Ka-zar, Shanna, Sheena, Black Panther, Bomba, B'wana Beast, etc., etc., but just try to find a decent rogues gallery for any of the great jungle heroes.   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on September 06, 2010, 06:48:46 PM
Amphibius (http://www.comicvine.com/amphibius/29-3565/)

Baron Macabre (http://www.comicvine.com/baron-macabre/29-19912/)

Carnivore (http://www.comicvine.com/carnivore/29-13723/)

Garokk (http://www.comicvine.com/garokk/29-21761/)

Gog (http://www.comicvine.com/gog/29-56541/)

Hamed Ali (http://www.comicvine.com/hamed-ali/29-60412/)

High Priest of Kua (http://www.comicvine.com/high-priest-of-kua/29-52939/)

Icon (http://www.comicvine.com/icon/29-27332/)

Killmonger (http://www.comicvine.com/erik-killmonger/29-6111/)

King Cadaver (http://www.comicvine.com/king-cadaver/29-36192/)

Kraven (http://www.comicvine.com/kraven-the-hunter/29-2475/)

Maa-Gor (http://www.comicvine.com/maa-gor/29-37428/)

Man-Ape (http://www.comicvine.com/man-ape/29-3801/)

Mandrill (http://www.comicvine.com/mandrill/29-6829/)

Nekra (http://www.comicvine.com/nekra/29-13896/)

Raina (http://www.comicvine.com/raina/29-3567/)

Salamander K'ruel (http://www.comicvine.com/salamander-kruel/29-59065/)

Stegron (http://www.comicvine.com/stegron/29-7776/)

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 06, 2010, 07:21:44 PM
Excellent list, Nol!   :D   Thanks! 

Man-Ape is already in.  I always loved his kooky outfit.   

I love Kraven, but he's already been done.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 07, 2010, 12:06:27 AM
I vote for Mandrill and his evil pheromones.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 07, 2010, 12:35:30 AM
I vote for Mandrill and his evil pheromones.
 

Mandrill's a fave of mine, but his mojo over only women  :-* is not a SHUA included power.   :'( 

Nekra, on the other hand, may get elected if I can manage to do justice to her wardrobe in icon-size.   :o 
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 12, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
The Kree's Supreme Intelligence's bio-robo-avatar, Supremor, is in, I guess.  It's not 100% faithful to the original, and I'm only half-happy with the compromises I made, but good enough, maybe...

What powers should I give him, tho?  Suggestions...?   ???

(click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 16, 2010, 09:49:57 PM
Okay, howzabout some suggestions for favorite watery themed supervillains, such as Aquaman or Sub-Mariner badguys...? 
(Characters you wouldn't want to meet on a dark beach.)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on September 17, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
Ocean Master - magical stuff (like energy bolts), telepathy, has a trident, technological armor and hemlmet

Black Manta - suit gives him durability and strength (5 tons), jet boots (flight and speed in water), energy projection from gloves and helmet, telepathic scrambler

Prince Namor, the SubMariner - well, he has been good and bad, so ...

Tiger Shark - strength, durability, speed in water, adamantium teeth, infallible tracker, requires water immersion (or his suit) to access his abilities

Llyra - (Lemurian) shape-changer, durability, strength, telepathic marine animal control, some mystical ability

Attuma - Atlantean strength, durability, three-blade sword, (can fly in later stories)

The Flying Dutchman - various incarnations, usually a ghost or supernatural

Mentioning the Flying Dutchman made me think of Spongebob and the underwater villains of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy - Man-Ray & Dirty Bubble

I cannot think of any others at the moment ...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 17, 2010, 09:08:40 AM
Does Mer-Man (http://he-man.wikia.com/wiki/Mer-Man) count?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 17, 2010, 11:11:24 AM
Tiger Shark and Attuma are already in.   :D

Namor and Black Manta already have icons from other folks.  I might be tempted to do Namor in his current body-suit, tho... 

I liked Ocean Master before he became a sorcerer, back in the early days when I loved Aquaman (the mild, sappy-happy days before he got dark & ruined).  I'll keep him under consideration.

Man-Ray and Mer-Man would be interesting candidates, except that they're not originally from comics.   :-\ 

Here's a pop-quiz:  Name a watery-themed comicbook super-villain not from a watery-themed superhero's comic...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 17, 2010, 12:01:47 PM
Man-Ray and Mer-Man would be interesting candidates, except that they're not originally from comics.   :-\ 

Each He-Man action figure was accompanied by a mini-comic introducing the character. That was before the cartoon was made (and thus often featured different origin stories than the TV series). So one could argue that the characters originally came from comics.  ;)

Quote
Here's a pop-quiz:  Name a watery-themed comicbook super-villain not from a watery-themed superhero's comic...

Hydro-Man
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on September 17, 2010, 12:08:23 PM
Umm. Hydroman from Spiderman?

Edit: Arrgh! You beat me to it!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 17, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
Hydroman is already part of default SHUA, but feel free to try again, guys...   ;D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on September 17, 2010, 12:33:03 PM
Hydroman is already part of default SHUA, but feel free to try again, guys...   ;D

But that wasn't part of the question. Thus, I win!  :P
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Baronnecro on September 17, 2010, 04:50:41 PM
Darkwing Duck comicbook  had Hydrodog or something....
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on September 18, 2010, 01:38:35 PM
Here's a pop-quiz:  Name a watery-themed comicbook super-villain not from a watery-themed superhero's comic...

How about Water Wizard, from the pages of Ghost Rider?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on September 18, 2010, 01:56:35 PM
How about Water Wizard, from the pages of Ghost Rider?
 

Hmm.  Good answer.  Water Wizard is a maybe.  If I did him, I'd have to devote at least one other icon to his offensive water creations...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 01, 2010, 10:53:13 PM
Work on Rocco's neverending SHUA project continues...

Sometime X-Men adversary, The Mimic, is in.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 18, 2010, 09:13:12 PM
Oh, for the good old days, when Clark Kent was a real man's nerd. 

Work continues on Rocco's SHUA project, tho too slowly for my liking.  This panel will not be included.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on October 19, 2010, 08:21:03 AM
Oh, for the good old days, when Clark Kent was a real man's nerd. 

...and when Batman was a complete jerk.  ;D

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000871745/batman_spank_answer_6_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on October 19, 2010, 12:16:06 PM
If I am not mistaken, the Superman panel is from the issue where the girl is riding on Supe's back like he was a bucking bronco, complete with bit in his mouth.

And, I don't think that Batman panel makes hi ma jerk. I think it makes him ... lecherous?

The panel that makes him a jerk is the one where he says, "I'm the goddamn Batman!"

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2944532873_4354f90199_o.jpg)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 19, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
The panel that makes him a jerk is the one where he says, "I'm the goddamn Batman!"
 

Absolutely!  IMO, there's no excuse for that type of poor writing! 
>:(  (We need an emoticon that's barfing...)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 20, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
Absolutely!  IMO, there's no excuse for that type of poor writing! 
>:(  (We need an emoticon that's barfing...)
 

Wait a minute, you're telling me Frank Miller wrote that...?  The Frank Miller...?!?   ??? 

Maybe those dumb, pudgy henchmen clones in his The Spirit movie were a metaphor for his own brain cells.   :'(
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on October 21, 2010, 12:51:37 AM
The panel that makes him a jerk is the one where he says, "I'm the goddamn Batman!"

That, and his tendency to endanger the lives of his adopted children.

2 out of 3 isn't a great survival rate.  :o
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on October 21, 2010, 03:56:20 AM
Wait a minute, you're telling me Frank Miller wrote that...?  The Frank Miller...?!?   ??? 

As far as Batman is concerned, frank Miller has gone off the rails ever since "The Dark Knight Strikes Again".

I wonder how his proposed "Batman vs. Al Qaida"-book is coming along...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 21, 2010, 08:45:14 PM
Commentary on society...? 

Lex Luthor as mad scientist (c.1940-70's) = Evil. 

Lex Luthor as corporate executive (80's-90's) = Worse evil. 

Lex Luthor as politician/president (21st century) = Ultimate evil. 

What's next...???   ???
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 23, 2010, 11:40:14 AM
Can the Kirby monsters get any scarier...? 
    (click to enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on October 23, 2010, 06:00:59 PM
Commentary on society...? 

Lex Luthor as mad scientist (c.1940-70's) = Evil. 

Lex Luthor as corporate executive (80's-90's) = Worse evil. 

Lex Luthor as politician/president (21st century) = Ultimate evil. 

What's next...???   ???

Well, in the upcoming DC Universe MMO, Lex Luthor basically destroys the world (with unexpected help from Brainiac) then time travels to the past to enlist the "Big Three" in stopping his mistake (and Brainiac).

So ...

Lex Luthor as Messiah = OMGHFS evil.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on October 24, 2010, 04:04:50 AM
Can the Kirby monsters get any scarier...? 

Purple pants? That giant dragon has a horrible fashion sense. Couldn't he find any ginormous shorts in a more pleasant color?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Null Null on October 24, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
If I am not mistaken, the Superman panel is from the issue where the girl is riding on Supe's back like he was a bucking bronco, complete with bit in his mouth.

And, I don't think that Batman panel makes hi ma jerk. I think it makes him ... lecherous?


Given the era, he's being more of a traditional father figure disciplining an evildoer, or a 'jerk' by manhandling a lady. Nowadays, it'd make him a male chauvinist pig.  I don't think in the 50s he was inviting Catwoman over for a little consensual kink. All that stuff was way underground and heavily sublimated, though not as much as people like to think...ever read about the origins of Wonder Woman?

Of course, in the modern era of supervillainesses, it's not clear exactly what a hero is supposed to do when fighting a woman who can shoot bolts of lightning from her eyes or control minds, to name some popular superpowers. Does 'never hit a girl' apply if she has the strength of ten men?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 24, 2010, 03:12:29 PM
Of course, in the modern era of supervillainesses, it's not clear exactly what a hero is supposed to do when fighting a woman who can shoot bolts of lightning from her eyes or control minds, to name some popular superpowers. Does 'never hit a girl' apply if she has the strength of ten men?
 

Imagine Captain Fairplay's chagrin if, after having punched a villainess in the stomach, it turns out that she was in the first trimester of a pregnancy...   :confused3:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 25, 2010, 11:08:27 PM
A terrific performance by future Catwoman Eartha Kitt, letting her inner supervillainess peak out: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5VaBgXzuM&feature=related
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 31, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
Hee, hee -- we just got a group of young trick-or-treaters, and one was dressed up as Hit-Girl.  When she asked if we (my mom & I) knew who she was supposed to be, she was delighted when I gave the correct answer.   :laughing6:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on November 01, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
Quote
A terrific performance by future Catwoman Eartha Kitt, letting her inner supervillainess peak out: 

Other than the cutaways to side shots, it almost looks like a podcast in the way it was filmed.

Quote
we just got a group of young trick-or-treaters, and one was dressed up as Hit-Girl.  When she asked if we (my mom & I) knew who she was supposed to be, she was delighted when I gave the correct answer.   

good thing, too. she may have slaughtered all of you if you hadn't. >_>
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 01, 2010, 07:17:17 PM
A little song from a big supervillain: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyHOiVWd_rc
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 02, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Red She-Hulk is out.  (She knows what she did!)   :angry9: 

Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on November 03, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
I was disappointed with that storyline. It was, to me, obvious who Rulk and She-Rulk were. /sigh
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on November 03, 2010, 10:03:21 PM
More obscure Hulk Villains can be found at:
http://members.fortunecity.com/tystates/obscurehulkv.htm

In addition to the above mentioned Xemnu the Titan and the Harpy (wink-nudge), the site includes: Bi-Beast, Captain Axis, Inheritor from Beyond, The Metal Master, and the Missing Link.

Other obscure Villains are on this page at the same site:
http://members.fortunecity.com/tystates/mshobscure.htm
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 03, 2010, 11:22:24 PM
In addition to the above mentioned Xemnu the Titan and the Harpy (wink-nudge), the site includes: Bi-Beast, Captain Axis, Inheritor from Beyond, The Metal Master, and the Missing Link.
 

I've always thought that the Harpy needs a makeover.  She should be redesigned sexier.  Give her a nice hourglass figure under those feathers.  The way Herb Trimpe drew her, she looks like she's about to lay a big, green egg for Sam I Am.   :tongue6:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 04, 2010, 06:42:49 PM
I was disappointed with that storyline. It was, to me, obvious who Rulk and She-Rulk were. /sigh
 

(For Vix, but also everyone else) Are there any storylines going on in comics, right now, that you're really loving...? 

For myself, the only current one that really has me fascinated is Image's The Bulletproof Coffin, which has one issue to go in its mini-series.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on November 05, 2010, 07:07:25 AM
It's been close to a year since I have read much of anything comics related. I only kept up with the Hulk storyline, and read some reviews and here and there.

I have become interested in the new DC Earth One series and may check into that.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 07, 2010, 03:14:35 AM
I've always thought that the Harpy needs a makeover.  She should be redesigned sexier. 

I don't know... shold harpies be "sexy"?
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 07, 2010, 01:56:25 PM
I don't know... shold harpies be "sexy"?
 

hehheh, Maybe you should start a Poll, Ben...   :angel10:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on November 07, 2010, 03:06:50 PM
hehheh, Maybe you should start a Poll, Ben...   :angel10:

Yes, right after I started my "Should Manticores have nice, firm butt cheeks" poll.   ;D  :booty:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 12, 2010, 07:02:11 PM
Simple, yet effective, superhero/supervillain music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DATLrAxI4NY&feature=related
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on November 12, 2010, 11:37:27 PM
Hans ... you seen this yet?

http://crusadercomics.net/index.php (http://crusadercomics.net/index.php)

I've not watched any of it aside from the trailer 'cuz i just now stumbled onto it and need to get to sleep.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 13, 2010, 02:26:37 PM
Fun find, Vix!  Thanks!   :happy3:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 19, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
A metaphor for the current comics industry...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdfoTSITZ-c&feature=related
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on April 30, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
What's the deal with the latest incarnation of the Flash?  He throws off more lightning bolts than Thor's hammer!  Even in this pic where it looks like he's stationary:
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=41916&sessionid=39bd6b799c07b942c15405163b7cb191
Is he still such a livewire when he's in his civilian identity?  If not, why not...?   :icon_shaking:
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on April 30, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
I think it might be a case of "just add sparks" (http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/how-to-design-a-hollywood-poster-just-add-sparks.php).
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 05, 2011, 11:15:38 PM
This old Jack Kirby pic will not be converted for Rocco's project, but check out Subby's horn, Dr. Wertham... 
 :o  (click to, eh, enlarge)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on May 19, 2011, 10:50:14 PM
Well, my use for this thread is at an end, I think.   
  :icon_salut:
I've finished all of the art for Rocco Taku's SHUA project, barring any last minute switcheroos.  So, all of the villains are decided upon. 
   :occasion14:
Oofdah!  I've been working on this one for about a year, now (subtract the month I took off for ShuaAeon).
  :drool:
So, now begins the next phase:  I will be going over all the villains, and trying to get them something close to Nol's preferred MSH stats scale (http://ua.reonis.com/index.php?topic=804.msg6525#msg6525). 
  :book1:
While I'm doing that, I'll also start actually writing the thing. 
   :homework:
That will take me awhile, but I still won't be out of the woods when I'm done.  The next phase after that will be lots and lots of playtesting with multiple superpower combinations to see if any fights are way too easy or impossibly hard.
  :violent1: :violent5: :BangHead: :boxing: :icon_bounce: :whip2:   
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on May 20, 2011, 05:38:35 AM
Yay!  :hello2:

Looking forward to the finished product!
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: nologgie on May 20, 2011, 02:16:21 PM
Amazing. I never realized Rocco Taku was such a perfectionist! You must be rubbing off on him. ;)

Seriously, I think we're all anxious to see what you'll come up with.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 23, 2011, 10:47:23 AM
As a postscript to this thread, now that it has served its usefullness...

I thought I'd mention that, of this writing, it is ranked No.2 on the boards according to both Top 10 Topics by Replies and Top 10 Topics by Views.  (No.1 is/was Pic of the Day.) 

Thanks for the feedback, folks!   :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Ben J on June 23, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
Yes, a lot of anticipation has been building towards your mod. 

Maybe you should release a "teaser trailer" at some point, to increase the anticipation further. :D
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on June 30, 2011, 10:47:23 PM
Maybe you should release a "teaser trailer" at some point, to increase the anticipation further. :D
 

I would expect any teaser trailer to erode anticipation, rather than build it up.   :pottytrain5:

On a related topic, I have done a bit of calculating over the speed with which I've completed the first two dungeons.  As there will likely be over 30 dungeons in the finished mod, I've determined that progress is not going quite fast enough for me to complete the mod this year.  And, since I want to be in the habit of releasing at least one mod a year, ad infinitum, I'm thinking of taking a break from it and doing a smaller mod, now (instead of waiting to the last minute, like with SHUAĆON). 

Our recent discussion about Wonder Woman and bad superheroine movies on another thread had me think about doing a mod featuring a superheroine of my own creation.  In kicking the idea around, I've thought of a unique narrative device that, tho it undoubtedly should prove immensely unpopular with players, is nevertheless too tempting for me not to try...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 02, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
Well, my use for this thread is at an end, I think.   
  :icon_salut:
I've finished all of the art for Rocco Taku's SHUA project, barring any last minute switcheroos.  So, all of the villains are decided upon. 
   :occasion14:
Oofdah!  I've been working on this one for about a year, now (subtract the month I took off for ShuaAeon).
  :drool:
So, now begins the next phase:  I will be going over all the villains, and trying to get them something close to Nol's preferred MSH stats scale (http://ua.reonis.com/index.php?topic=804.msg6525#msg6525). 
  :book1:
While I'm doing that, I'll also start actually writing the thing. 
   :homework:
That will take me awhile, but I still won't be out of the woods when I'm done.  The next phase after that will be lots and lots of playtesting with multiple superpower combinations to see if any fights are way too easy or impossibly hard.
  :violent1: :violent5: :BangHead: :boxing: :icon_bounce: :whip2:
 

Resurrecting this thread (if just for a brief update), as I've now returned to work on Rocco Taku's SHUA project... 

I've since become a bit more experienced and knowledgeable in SHUA's FASERIP system of stat management, after working on and completing The Untimers, Issue# 1: "ParadoXikill!" (SHUA-mu1.dsn).  For the Rocco Taku SHUA project, I have a full collection of super-villains from various comics companies to convert to such stats, so that may take some time. 

The writing is mostly done, tho.  All the rest is done. 

This project is still just a stepping stone to a bigger project, which will be a SHUA reworking of Pool of Radiance.  SHUA-mu1, it turned out, was a middle-step I needed to get to Rocco Taku's bigger step toward crafting a SHUA-POR.  The lessons I am learning are, hopefully, how to devise challenging, yet balanced, SHUA combats for a make-your-own-team-of-superhero-PCs. 

While working on SHUA-mu1, I also thought more about some themes and rationales that a SHUA-POR will need to address, in translating the Forgotten Realms into a modern, superhero milieu.  Despite the absurdity of the existence of super-powers, I will want the world I create for SHUA-POR to make some kind of logical sense within its own parameters.  The history of Phlan will need to change, for example, to insert the city and its problems into a superhero universe context. 

Hopefully, both I and the Earth (including FRUAdom) will endure to see me finish such a project, probably still several years down the line.  Oofdah.  
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on October 02, 2013, 05:20:01 PM
I think that is a good idea :) I would surely like to play it. I still would like to make some good mods with SH, but i am not sure for villains and this thread is a long one. Anyway it made me think, but i don't have good answers yet :( and i want it to be original. Well "best" villain i can think of is Catminator (from Catclaw comic) and he is something like terminator (just looks like rambo with mohawk:)) and he lifts Yugo on thi street in one scene (that is small car ExYu used to make), that really looks well i dont know sad but still YU like :angel:, though comic is still good and interesting. And also sad thing is that so little people did good comics in ExYu and Catclaw was among those. Anyway i was thinking to make some SH mod with Catclaw but i think i will do something original.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Nol Drek on October 02, 2013, 06:55:45 PM
Resurrecting this thread (if just for a brief update), as I've now returned to work on Rocco Taku's SHUA project...

I'm glad to hear it.

Hopefully, both I and the Earth (including FRUAdom) will endure to see me finish such a project, probably still several years down the line.  Oofdah.

Hopefully I'll be here as well to play SHUA-POR when it is finally finished. As for the Earth, it still has another 5 billion years before the Sun enters its red giant phase (which could be an interesting premise for a SciFi/SuperHero/DyingEarth crossover mod).

One nice thing about this project taking so long to complete, is that we have side projects like SHUA-mu1 to enjoy.  :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 26, 2013, 01:30:03 PM
The writing on Rocco Taku's SHUA project is now about 98%.  I'll probably add a touch, here or there, as I find is needed, during my own playtesting phase. 

I've now begun tailoring the villain stats according to the FASERIP system.  Some of the villains are quite obscure.  If I have particular trouble on any, I'll probably seek advice here.  This phase is rather boringly laborious, and may take awhile. 

After that, tho, I should be able to begin my personal playtesting. 

So, progress continues, albeit s l o w l y.   :-\
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Vix on October 26, 2013, 05:41:14 PM
Where are the villains from?  (DC, Marvel, etc)

There are databases out there with both official and fan "stats" using various systems for superheroes and their villains.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 26, 2013, 07:56:53 PM
Where are the villains from?  (DC, Marvel, etc)
 

Mostly from DC and Marvel, although some of them will still be obscure, like
from like the rarely-seen Kree's Supreme Intelligence's bio-robo-avatar, Supremor, and from Blackhawk #221, the Moonster.

There will be a number from other comics companies, like Grendel/Hunter Rose, Mock Turtle from Astro City, Hit Girl from Kick-@ss, and one-shot Hellboy foe, the vampire luchadore <Mexican wrestler> Camazotz.

My main sources for the more popular characters' stats are:
http://classicmarvelforever.com/cast_list/all.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/heroicus/files/stats-2.html  
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 27, 2013, 07:37:20 PM
Speaking of Grendel/Hunter Rose, by which name should he be called? 

I currently have him named Hunter Rose, so as to identify him from all the many Grendels that followed, but if ya'll prefer, I'll change it.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on October 28, 2013, 04:40:14 AM
I am ok with it, and i just saw this it is really a good source :D http://www.angelfire.com/planet/heroicus/files/stats-2.html and wow it is good i always wanted to learn this :) it looks like there is everything needed for playing Superheroes :) i guess best way available. I hope i will get into it soon :)
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on October 28, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
Nol gave instruction on how to convert Marvel Super Heroes character stats into SuperHero Unlimited Adventures in his SHUA docs:

Conversion from MSH Stats to AD&D stats.

Wherever possible, SHUA stats have been converted from the official
stats given in the Marvel Super Heroes game. Most characters from
the DC Heroes game have already been converted to MSH.

Primary abilities are the seven abilities shared by almost all
of Marvel Characters. The F-A-S-E-R-I-P (Fighting, Agility, Strength,
Endurance, Reason, Intuition, and Psyche). They are the measuring of
how well a character can perform certain acts.

Note: Fight=THAC0, Strength=STR, Reason=INT, Psyche=WIS,
Agility=DEX, Endurance=CON, Intuition=CHA

Secondary abilities are Health and Karma. These are sometimes called
variable abilities, as they can change in the course of a single
adventure. All normal individuals and most characters the player
encounter have secondary abilities. Secondary abilities may be
defined by rank or seperate numbers.

Note: Health=HP, Karma=Experience Level

 MSH     Rank      SHUA Score   Fight
   0     Shift          1                   20
   2     Feeble         3                20
   4     Poor           6                 20
   6     Typical        9                19
  10     Good          12              18
  20     Excellent     14             16
  30     Remarkable    16         13
  40     Incredible    18             10
  50     Amazing       20             7
  75     Monstrous     23            4
 100     Unearthly     25            3
 150     Shift X        *                 2
 200     Shift Y        *                 1
 500     Shift Z        *                0
1000     Class 1000     *          *
3000     Class 3000     *          *
5000     Class 5000     *          *
Infinite Beyond           *            *

* = Numbers in this range or normally not available to Heroes & Villians.
They are reserved for Celestial creatures like Galactus or the High
Evolutionary.

Hit Points: Health divided by 2 = HP
Level: Karma divided by 5 = Level
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on October 29, 2013, 03:21:28 AM
Thanks so much for this :D I always wanted to play SH but system looked a bit confusing, now looking at that conversion table it really can be played with Ad&d too. I hope i will give it a try soon.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 02, 2013, 11:14:25 PM
...My main sources for the more popular characters' stats are:
http://classicmarvelforever.com/cast_list/all.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/heroicus/files/stats-2.html
 

I'm also finding this site helpful:

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/benriely/
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on November 03, 2013, 05:10:53 AM
It is very good, thanks for that too. Only if i knew how did he make those small avatars of superheroes. I have seen on some other site same style avatars but only some modern ones. I really wish to know how that can be done.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: hans on November 03, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
It is very good, thanks for that too. Only if i knew how did he make those small avatars of superheroes. I have seen on some other site same style avatars but only some modern ones. I really wish to know how that can be done.
 

They're called Micro-Heroes. 

Here's a bit of history:
http://www.comicheroes.co.uk/microheroes.htm  

And here's a tutorial for making your own:
http://microheroes.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_Make_Micro-Heroes  

To tell the truth, I have considered making Micros of my own superheroes who have starred in some of my mods.  Working pixel by pixel is second nature to me after all my years at the UA artboard.  Maybe someday...
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on November 03, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
Thanks for really helpful info. Well i guess they can be useful and there is a lot of them.
Title: Re: SHUA new villains survey
Post by: Milos Gulan on November 03, 2013, 02:44:10 PM
Here is an example http://star-trek-microheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page