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Offline Paul R. Stevens

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2017, 05:15:55 PM »
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I need to erase everything I've done

Don't do that!

I have been watching this topic.  It seems to me that
it suffers from communication problems.  I think we
could fare better if we slowed down and tried to solve
only one problem at a time.  You are obviously new to
the intricacies of DC graphics and have a lot to learn
about the nomenclature that old hands employ.  Why
don't we pick one problem and solve it.  Communication
should begin to improve and the second problem will
submit more easily.

I will start by saying that if you report editor problems
to me then I will not talk to you until you are using the
latest editor.  This is because I have no way of knowing
how old versions of the editor work.  I keep no old
source code.  There should be no disadvantage to you
in using the latest editor.  It is a single executable file
and can be placed in your 'Editor' folder very easily
and without upsetting anything else in your design.
If you like, you can first rename the old version so as
to be able to return to it for some reason.  Other folks
probably have no such rule and may attempt to solve
problems even if your editor is out-of-date.

I am very happy to see someone attempting to use DC.
Let us hope we can get you 'over the hump' before
you become totally frustrated.





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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2017, 12:25:45 PM »
Paul, thanks for the calming words.

I'm not really upset about deleting my design, which wasn't much.  I was just using it to learn how to use the editor.  Okay, I will  download the latest editor, which is... 2.83, correct?  Let me go and do that.  And again, thanks.

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2017, 01:05:36 PM »
Thanks, Paul. :D

I wasn't trying to say you needed to delete and start over, I was trying to show what you would do from scratch. ;)
If you already have a design and the wrong art is showing, you just need to delete the "wrong" art (or move it to a back-up folder) and copy in the "right" art.

Likewise, if you want to use a new layout in your design, you just need to change your config.txt (and any art, obviously).

Honestly, other than corrupted files, as in something outside of DC breaks a file, I can't think of any reason you would need to start over unless you wanted to. :D

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2017, 01:41:56 PM »
Okay, 2.83 is downloaded and unzipped.

I would like to point out that the name on the shortcut is "Dunbeon Craft Editor 2.83."  Probably too complicated and not worth it to fix that typo.  Will I mess anything up if I rename it on my desktop?  Like, does it have to look at the name on the shortcut to perform some operation?

Now let's see if I am following Manikus' instructions correctly...

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From the editor:
#1   open the latest DC editor, select Create New Design
#2   close editor and navigate to newly created folder
#3   DELETE all files in Resources and config.txt in Data
#4   unzip all files into Resources
#5   put downloaded wide wall config.txt in Data folder

I clicked on Create New Design.  It wouldn't create one because there wasn't a config.txt file yet.  How I got around this the last time was to manually create my test design file, and within it the data, resources, and saves file, and put in the wide config.txt.  However, perhaps my doing that created a problem, so I'll hold off.

Paul said to take this one step at a time, so I'll wait to see what I should do next.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 01:54:40 PM by Zad »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 02:05:01 PM »
In order to make a new design, the editor executable must be in the same folder as the TemplateDesign.dsn folder. :) When DC creates a new design, it is copying the contents of TemplateDesign.dsn into your newly created design.

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2017, 02:28:29 PM »
Last time (an hour or so ago?) I got a button labeled "create new design," which didn't work.  This time, the editor won't open at all.  When I try to navigate to the editor in order to create folders under it, I can't.  I click on it and it just gives me error messages.  With the older version of the editor, I was able to get around that and stick the config.txt in.  Obviously I am doing something wrong, and would appreciate some suggestions.

I haven't used a DOS box in years, and would have to look up the commands, but maybe that would work?

Wait, Manikus, you said:

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In order to make a new design, the editor executable must be in the same folder as the TemplateDesign.dsn folder.

I cannot get to the Templatedesign.dsn folder.  I can only get as far as this:

« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 02:39:49 PM by Zad »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2017, 02:45:36 PM »
Ah, there's where I found the "new design" button, which didn't work.  Neither did clicking on the editor.

Is it possible the editor is corrupted on my hard drive?  Dang.  I don't know how to fix that.  If I deleted the new editor and re-downloaded it, wouldn't it get put on the same broken spot?

Or, I wonder if it could be acting up due to this typo in the name?

« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 03:00:05 PM by Zad »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2017, 03:01:43 PM »
Wait, looking at that screenshot, I wonder why the editor is dated three days earlier than the other stuff?  Sorry, I'm getting more and more unsure of everything.  I need to drink my coffee and think about something else.

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2017, 03:19:47 PM »
I had never tried putting my data on the desktop.  So I tried it
now and it works just fine.  Here is what the folders should look like:
Edit OOOOps.  The SetWall.DSN should have a 'Resources' folder
in addition to the 'Data', 'Saves', and the 'Editor' folders.
The Editor executable goes in the 'Editor' folder and its name
is immaterial.

« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 03:23:32 PM by Paul R. Stevens »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2017, 03:35:59 PM »
Here is another, perhaps better because the editor is kept
separate from the design, way of arranging your DCStuff:


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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2017, 07:58:34 PM »
I put everything on the desktop, mostly because Windows ticks me off.  I would download something, try to find it, and it'd be off in an obscure corner of my computer.  I don't think Microsoft has the right to decide where I should keep my files.  Organizing stuff on the desktop works fine for me.  I wish my actual desk was that neat!

Anyway.  I am very much lost with all of these suggestions.  I said I was having trouble getting at the subsidiary files of the test design, in order to put the config.txt in it.  (I blame Windows.  I really miss DOS.)  You may have tried to answer that, Paul, but to me it looks as though you went off on a tangent with all these pictures of your files.   I have deleted everything except some of my art, will now re-download 2.83 and the 1023 wide config.txt, and I'll try to get it going.  I'm sure there will be issues, and then I'll ask for help.

Thanks to all of you for all the help I have received so far.

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2017, 09:40:12 PM »
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You may have tried to answer that, Paul, but to me it looks as though you went off on a tangent with all these pictures of your files

If you don't understand the hierarchical folder structure shown in
my attached screen captures, then we are going to have a hard
time. The folder structure is the same as the DOS folder structure.
The difference is that DOS never showed you a diagram of the
structure; you had to be content with the command line interface.

Where can we start?

It shows that I have a computer called "This PC".  On the computer
named "This PC" I have a folder named "Desktop" into which I placed
all my DC files.  I did this because you said that it is how you wanted
to do it.

In the folder named "Desktop" I put a folder named "DCStuff".  I named
it that because that is what you named your folder.

In the folder named "DCStuff" I placed my game design folders (there is
only one - named "SetWall.DSN") and the DungeonCraft Editor folder (named
"editor").

This is the arrangement I suggest that you use.

I will stop here and ask if you understand.  I have attached a DOS-like
directory listing of the folder named "DCStuff".  Perhaps it will help
you see how the diagram and the DOS listing correlate.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 09:43:21 PM by Paul R. Stevens »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2017, 02:56:51 AM »
No no, I understand how files on the computer are organized.  What I don't understand is why you showed me yours, including your recycle bin.  I don't mean to sound impatient.  You've all been as nice as you can be.  But I think we're not quite speaking the same language.  In version 2.77, I can put in the config.txt file and it will work.  In 2.83, I can't put in the config.txt and it won't work.  So for now, I'm just using 2.77.  I won't ask any more questions for a while because I think we're all getting frustrated.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2017, 04:12:09 AM by Zad »

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2017, 09:35:59 AM »
In your replies #50 and #51 you attached screenshost of your
files structure.  It showed a folder called "DCEditor_283".
That folder contained your editor executable but no sub-folders.
Compare that with my screenshot which shows the editor
folder has two sub-folders, namely "EditorResources" and
"TemplateDesign.dsn", the latter containing sub-folders of its
own.  Do you see the difference?   This is the folder structure
that is necessary for the editor to work correctly.  That is why
I posted screenshots of my folder structure.....to demonstrate
how I arrange things so that DC will work.  You can safely ignore
all the folders except the "DCStuff" folder on my desktop if
you find them confusing.

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Re: missing text file?
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2017, 04:08:19 PM »
I have been trying to  explain that I can't open up the editor folder for 2.83 in order to see the sub-folders.  No doubt it is due to something stupid that I'm doing wrong, but for now, it is not working for me.  That's why I'm using 2.77, which I can open.