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In a hack switching OAUA's culture from predominately Japanese over to Chinese, in what language would you prefer most names?

Mostly original Chinese
4 (50%)
Mostly English equivalents
4 (50%)

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Voting closed: March 20, 2013, 06:50:43 PM

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013, 11:53:54 PM »
Yiddish humor aside...,  ;)

On the items side, I'd say that OAUA actually uses more English than Japanese. 

These are the item names that I'd be looking at changing (although the Japanese names for some familiar martial arts weapons have become almost definitive): 

8 Tetsubo
9 Kusari-gama
10 Kama     (should I go with the less familiar "Lian"?)
13 Sai      (do I want to change it to the less familiar "Cha"?)
15 Bo     (not enough spaces for the Chinese "Kon")
16 Ninja-to
18 Katana
19 Wakizashi
21 Naginata
22 Daikyu
23 Shuriken
35 Ashigaru
38 SHUKENJA
41 Kabuto
70 Nunchaku
72 Kote
93 Tsunami
105 Diamond Ki (Diamond Qi? --Too small for the more familiar "Chi") 

There are only a few non-Japanese names that I would consider changing:

29 Parang    (Malaysian and Indonesian big knife, similar to a machete)
11 Lajatang   (is already Chinese, but maybe too obscure?) 

It might be nice if I could include the entire legendary 18 weapons of China:
http://www.chinancient.com/eighteen-arms-of-wushu/

Maybe I could do without something like:
20 Two-Handed Sword    (to make room for something else?)

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 12:00:23 AM »
I know four of those words from Ninja Turtles.  :)

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 11:42:38 AM »
I played all the Oriental Adventures except 1. And I had no idea, at any time, what weapons I was using/buying, or whether my class could use them. I somehow missed the index.html in the docs section. If you change the names, I want a file I can print out to tell me what the names mean.  8)

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 08:51:02 PM »
Now what is the real explanation about rangers and what is the story behind it, I know about knights and well soldiers but not sure about rangers.

Rangers in Dungeons and Dragons are modeled after Aragorn, the character from Lord of the Rings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragorn
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2013, 04:58:58 AM »
Cool well I thought so though I can only find some clue about rangers in the Football Club Rangers which was founded 1872. Still my dilema is are thouse guys protectors of the forests like just forest rangers, Or are they lawmen types like texas rangers or military type rangers. Now I in my language I think of them as Border guards, those guys that are just forces that protect borders, and I still think it is a better word then foresters.

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2013, 11:31:02 AM »
Now what is the real explanation about rangers and what is the story behind it, I know about knights and well soldiers but not sure about rangers.

Rangers in Dungeons and Dragons are modeled after Aragorn, the character from Lord of the Rings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragorn
I thought rangers were based on Robin Hood and his merry men. No copyright infringement there.

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2013, 09:50:33 PM »
I thought rangers were based on Robin Hood and his merry men. No copyright infringement there.

OD&D was full of Hobbits, Balrogs, and Ents. The Ranger class first appeared in Strategic Review Vol. 1 No. 2 in the summer of 1975. Rangers have the ability to track, are the enemies of Orcs and Giants, and must be lawful (this alignment was changed to good for AD&D, as were many infringements on the Tolkien estate's copyrights). All Rangers can use any item that grants Clairvoyance, ESP, etc... (a reference to Aragorn's ability to use the Palantir of Denethor). 2nd level Rangers have the title "Strider". Not a single mention is made of bows and arrows.

Here's the original article as it appeared in Strategic Review Vol. 1 No. 2:
http://www.thecrimsonpirate.com/merp/downloads/htdocs/D20/DragonMagazineArchives/Strv102.pdf
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013, 10:17:26 PM »
I thought rangers were based on Robin Hood and his merry men. No copyright infringement there.
 

I remember an article in Dragon Magazine that converted Robin & his men into NPCs.  Rather than make them Rangers, it just made them Fighters, for the given reason that having them do magic (as higher-leveled characters) wasn't in the spirit of the established folklore.

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2013, 03:47:05 AM »
Yeah although 2e Add PHB says something about rangers and Robin Hood, I think those guys were more rogue like than ranger like. I also think rangers as a fantasy class were Talkiens work, and only think I can think of is F.C. Rangers and maybe just people who are fighters on the borders with some special skills to match. Paladins on other hand I guess id DD word I also don't know how that started and I wish I knew :read2:

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2013, 11:18:53 AM »
I believe 'Paladins' started with the 12 paladins if Charlemagne.
There's bound to be a wiki about it.
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2013, 11:36:25 AM »
Yes there is an wiki entry. Thanks for help, I didn't know about Charlemagne paladins, I have to admit though I have heard of him of course. In my language there is no word paladin only knight so I was curious about it. Now I know the story finaly :D
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2013, 06:26:33 PM »
I thought rangers were based on Robin Hood and his merry men. No copyright infringement there.

I generally agree with you that Robin Hood and his Merry Men fit the Ranger mold. They might be Rogues or Fighters, and Friar Tuck would most certainly be a Cleric, but IMHO the Ranger class is the best fit for them in the absence of an "Archer" class. But I don't think they were the inspiration for the class that appeared in Strategic Review back in the days of OD&D before Eldritch Wizardry and Blackmoor came out.
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2013, 07:27:36 AM »
What's also interesting is that the Cleric class may have been inspired by Hammer horror films, according to Grognardia...

http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2010/07/original-cleric.html

...as well as Archbishop Turpin with the mace.

Also, the thief class was pretty much based on Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser from Fritz Leiber's Lankhmar, I think.

Brawling fighters-for-hire are probably based on Conan the Barbarian, although there are way too many historical precedents for warriors in general.

We know the magic system was based on Jack Vance, but D&D wizards are actually much more benign than most historical views of magic up to this point. Any other ideas?

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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2013, 07:54:16 AM »
Now that is interesting, I was curious about clerics, for rogues I have to say that Grey Mouser is interesting figure, I would like to know more and maybe to play a FRUA mod or two as I was missing that, Conan I guess is a bit original only thing I can say is that Kitai is russian world for China and in Conan we have Khitai.

Here that can be seen http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/chrysagon_hyboria.jpg
http://conan.wikia.com/wiki/Khitai

Also Robin Hood and his company would fall in category of Hajduks. That is by my thinking special class of rogues, little more fighter type then usual rogues I guess. Anyway here is the explanation there is also Hajduk Football Club from Split Croatia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajduk

I am not sure for Robin Hood what to say. He probably could be a ranger with his bow, but also a fighter or rogue with specialized longbow. I think he would better fit a role of fighter with his henchmans maybe then a ranger who mostly works alone and with animals. Rogue would also be a good class for him though then others would be mostly rogues too.

So I think best description of Robin Hood is a fighter specilized for robery of rich caravans and longbow, or Rogue specialized for robery of rich caravans and good with shortbow or longbow. I guess Zorro could fall into category of this type of heroes though I don't know much about him to be honest.
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Re: POLL: Chinese or English names for an OAUA hack?
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2013, 09:39:41 AM »
No, you're quite right. Most of the Conan nations are old or mythical names for real ones. The Picts were a real barbarian group. Argos and Corinthia were actual Greek cities. Shem was the son of Noah thought to have founded the Semitic peoples (Jews and Arabs). Iranistan is, obviously, Iran or Persia. Kush was in Northern Africa. Vanaheim and Asgard are places is Norse myth. Howard was really into ancient myth. ;)