Author Topic: PREVIEW: It's not over yet  (Read 921 times)

Offline Dinonykos

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2315
    • Dinonykos Dungeon Craft
PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« on: November 12, 2015, 01:20:57 PM »
"It's not over yet" is an already completed design which I only have not published yet since I need approval by some people who contributed to the project the design is based on (could be I have to remove some photos, for example, for the final version)...  :)

However, Olivier Leroux was so nice to playtest it already, and gave me very helpful hints not only concerning gameplay, but also concerning English which I am just incorporating. I have some questions though where the native speakers in the forum might help.

a) Let's say the party sees something and I want to give the direction, how can I do this?
"Look eastwards!"
"See there, in the East!"
"There, to the east!"
Is all this correct? Would "East" be capitalized or not in the latter two versions?

b) What are the differences between journal, magazine, and periodical? Olivier made the good point that the term journal is similar to diary/log. Furthermore, journal is kind of occupied by the journal function in DC and FRUA. On the other hand, I think a magazine always has illustrations and/or fotographs.

c) In German, we use terms like "the press", "the police" etc. in singular only. What is it like in English, would you say "The press does..." or "The press do..." (if newspapers are meant)?
Find four contributions to the Pre-Generated Character Mini-Module Design Contest on my homepage.
New: THE AMBASSADOR'S LETTER, my contribution to the 7-day-challenge.
DINONYKOS DUNGEON CRAFT DESIGN HOMEPAGE

Offline Milos Gulan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3107
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 03:25:44 PM »
Here is what I think:

a) I am not sure :) but for me "Look, to the east!" would probably be good enough. I am trying to fit the meaning first but well here is what I have found about it http://www.proofreadnow.com/blog/bid/30440/North-East-South-or-West-Capitalize-or-Not

b) Journal is private day to day diary, word meaning is I think from french jour which means day http://www.thefreedictionary.com/journal, for example we say in Serbian to update something regularly - ažurirati (main word is ažur from french a jour or per day :) http://vukajlija.com/azurirati/33351)

Magazine is illustrated newspaper that is probably publushed monthly and Periodical is mostly I think poblished every few months like one in 3 months and it treats only (or mostly) one subject like for example art http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/periodical 

c) I am not sure about this, I have learned it in school long time ago but it depends on tense I guess so you probably will not make a big mistake. I need a full sentence to actualy know what You want to say so I can try to put it in right form :)

Offline manikus

  • Skriptor
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9767
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 03:32:57 PM »
"It's not over yet" is an already completed design which I only have not published yet since I need approval by some people who contributed to the project the design is based on (could be I have to remove some photos, for example, for the final version)...  :)

However, Olivier Leroux was so nice to playtest it already, and gave me very helpful hints not only concerning gameplay, but also concerning English which I am just incorporating. I have some questions though where the native speakers in the forum might help.

a) Let's say the party sees something and I want to give the direction, how can I do this?
"Look eastwards!"
"See there, in the East!"
"There, to the east!"
Is all this correct? Would "East" be capitalized or not in the latter two versions?
All examples work, though "See there" would probably sound better as "Look there". For academic papers, the names of the cardinal directions should always be capitalized. I try to always do it, but I have read more than a few novels that do not bother.

b) What are the differences between journal, magazine, and periodical? Olivier made the good point that the term journal is similar to diary/log. Furthermore, journal is kind of occupied by the journal function in DC and FRUA. On the other hand, I think a magazine always has illustrations and/or fotographs.
In U.S. English, periodical is reserved for academics/librarians when applied to individual items, or may be used as a class name - "Time magazine is in the periodical section."
In this context, journal (as a periodical) is reserved for academic or niche publications. Eg, Journal of Applied Physics, Northern Poetry Journal.
Magazine is a commercial product for the mass market.

c) In German, we use terms like "the press", "the police" etc. in singular only. What is it like in English, would you say "The press does..." or "The press do..." (if newspapers are meant)?
These words work the same in English. Some writers capitalize them when they are refereing to the abstract or general form.

Offline Paul R. Stevens

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2220
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 04:20:48 PM »
If someone said to me:  "The police is biased",
I would think it sounded 'very' strange.  'Tis plural.

"The press is biased" sounds quite right.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2015, 06:02:05 PM by Paul R. Stevens »

Offline Dinonykos

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2315
    • Dinonykos Dungeon Craft
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 04:40:08 PM »
Thanks, this was very helpful!
Find four contributions to the Pre-Generated Character Mini-Module Design Contest on my homepage.
New: THE AMBASSADOR'S LETTER, my contribution to the 7-day-challenge.
DINONYKOS DUNGEON CRAFT DESIGN HOMEPAGE

Offline steve_mcdee

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1945
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 04:44:07 PM »
I think either "East" or "east" would be fine. If you say "the East" some people might conceivably read that as referring to Asia (though probably not in your context).

You are right that magazines usually have pictures, but I agree that "periodical" or "journal" would generally be used to identify a specialist or academic publication.

I think you could comfortably say either "the press is" or "the press are". I agree with Paul that to say "the police is" definitely sounds wrong.

Offline manikus

  • Skriptor
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9767
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 05:33:35 PM »
Police = plural; // I should have thought "cops" which is obviously is plural

Offline steve_mcdee

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1945
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 05:47:20 PM »
You might think "the police" = "the police force" (singular). But in its usage in English it is definitely plural. It means "[the] members of the police force". It seems to be a "plurale tantum" (albeit one that does not end in "s" and so is not immediately recognisable as a plural by its form)! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurale_tantum)

Offline Nol Drek

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2157
    • Nol Drek's Web Site
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 07:41:08 PM »
a) Let's say the party sees something and I want to give the direction, how can I do this?
"Look eastwards!"
"See there, in the East!"
"There, to the east!"
Is all this correct? Would "East" be capitalized or not in the latter two versions?

The first one is "Look eastward!"
East, when capitalized, indicates part of a proper name such as "East Lansing, Michigan."
The direction is not capitalized. "See there, in the east!" is correct.

b) What are the differences between journal, magazine, and periodical? Olivier made the good point that the term journal is similar to diary/log. Furthermore, journal is kind of occupied by the journal function in DC and FRUA. On the other hand, I think a magazine always has illustrations and/or fotographs.

A magazine is something that you can buy in a book store. They cover a variety of topics such as entertainment, news, computers, and pop culture. Many magazines are published weekly or monthly and they are often printed on glossy paper.

A periodical is any publication that comes out on a regular schedule. Daily newspapers are periodicals. So are most magazines.

A journal often refers to a publication designed for specialists in a field of study. These are called "academic journals" and are peer reviewed. A journal can also refer to a private diary or a place where you write down your personal reflections.

c) In German, we use terms like "the press", "the police" etc. in singular only. What is it like in English, would you say "The press does..." or "The press do..." (if newspapers are meant)?

The press is usually singular. You might say "the press has a liberal bias" when referring to journalists as a group. The police is usually plural. You would say "the police are investigating."
"Into the Drachensgrab Mountains!"

http://www.noldrek.com

Offline steve_mcdee

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1945
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2015, 08:19:45 PM »
But who seriously says "look east!"? Wouldn't you say, "Look over there!" or "Look over to your left!"?

Offline Paul R. Stevens

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2220
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 09:11:28 PM »
Quote
who seriously says "look east!"?

Take Highway 18 south from Madison.  At the
intersection with PD, look east.  You will
see McDonalds about a quarter-mile away
at the top of the hill on the left .

Offline Nol Drek

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2157
    • Nol Drek's Web Site
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 11:41:35 PM »
But who seriously says "look east!"? Wouldn't you say, "Look over there!" or "Look over to your left!"?

Yeah, I'd be more likely to say, "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east."
"Into the Drachensgrab Mountains!"

http://www.noldrek.com

Offline steve_mcdee

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1945
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 12:57:36 AM »
My point is that in an urgent situation where you are trying to direct someone's immediate attention, I (at least) would probably more likely use a relative (left/right) direction (which for most people requires less processing), or just point. If you are calmly giving directions then, sure you might say, "look east".

In a DC or FRUA scenario, if there is something to the east I would perhaps draw the player's attention in this way:

Quote
"Look over there!" he shouts, pointing to the east.

Offline Dinonykos

  • Dungeon Craft Tester
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2315
    • Dinonykos Dungeon Craft
Re: PREVIEW: It's not over yet
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 02:32:58 AM »
Wow, thanks for the very detailled responses.
Find four contributions to the Pre-Generated Character Mini-Module Design Contest on my homepage.
New: THE AMBASSADOR'S LETTER, my contribution to the 7-day-challenge.
DINONYKOS DUNGEON CRAFT DESIGN HOMEPAGE

 

anything