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Dragon breath
« on: October 06, 2009, 11:39:17 AM »
The 1e monster manuals are oddly lacking the info on teh damage done by the various dragon breath weapons. They list the size of the area effected and that saving reduces damage by half...

Can anyonr point me to where I might find this data? I would also appreciate knowing what FRUA does with the chromatic dragons.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 12:40:02 PM »
The 1e and 2e monster manuals are oddly lacking the info on teh damage done by the various dragon breath weapons. They list the size of the area effected and that saving reduces damage by half...

Dragon breath does damage equal to the default HP value of the dragon.

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I would also appreciate knowing what FRUA does with the chromatic dragons.

 Since Tiamat is not part of default FRUA, I can't speak on how FRUA does it, but the 1e Monster Manual says:

 "Tiamat's heads are white, black, green, blue, and red. Her breath weapons correspond to the color of each head, exactly duplicating the size and shape of the appropriate dragon's breath weapon and doing damage equal to a huge, ancient dragon of the species applicable, i.e. 56 hit points frost (cold) damage, 64 hit points acid damage, 72 hit points gas (chlorine) damage, 80 hit points electrical (lightning) damage, and 88 hit points fire damage. She can use each breath weapon but once per day. Note that each of her heads is also capable of employing two spells. Tiamat's white head is able to cast two 1st level spells, her black head two 2nd level spells, her green head two 3rd level spells, her blue head two 4th level spells, and her red head two 5th level spells.

 "Each of Tiamat's heads can withstand 16 hit points damage before going out of commission until regeneration replaces it the following day."

 Each head can also bite, and her tail has a poison sting. FRUA can't duplicate the once-per-day breath weapons, nor the 16-hp-per-head damage, but DC probably could.

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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 03:04:58 PM »

Dragon breath does damage equal to the default HP value of the dragon.
Wow. I bet I know why I didn't know this too. ;) Thanks a bunch

Since Tiamat is not part of default FRUA, I can't speak on how FRUA does it, but the 1e Monster Manual says:

 "Tiamat's heads are white, black, green, blue, and red. Her breath weapons correspond to the color of each head, exactly duplicating the size and shape of the appropriate dragon's breath weapon and doing damage equal to a huge, ancient dragon of the species applicable, i.e. 56 hit points frost (cold) damage, 64 hit points acid damage, 72 hit points gas (chlorine) damage, 80 hit points electrical (lightning) damage, and 88 hit points fire damage. She can use each breath weapon but once per day. Note that each of her heads is also capable of employing two spells. Tiamat's white head is able to cast two 1st level spells, her black head two 2nd level spells, her green head two 3rd level spells, her blue head two 4th level spells, and her red head two 5th level spells.

 "Each of Tiamat's heads can withstand 16 hit points damage before going out of commission until regeneration replaces it the following day."

 Each head can also bite, and her tail has a poison sting. FRUA can't duplicate the once-per-day breath weapons, nor the 16-hp-per-head damage, but DC probably could.
Thanks for the info, but I really meant to ask something else. :D I was looking at a version of the 2e monster manual and it referred to to each of the five colored dragons as chromatic dragons (as opposed to the good metallic dragons and the neutral gem dragons).
Uatu and I had talked about doing a Tiamat icon though...maybe I'll have to look into that again. :)

So, what I would really like to know is how much damage does FRUA assign to each dragon's breath. If it's less than the 1e damage, I should probably stick a note in so that the designer knows that.

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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 05:26:20 PM »
So, what I would really like to know is how much damage does FRUA assign to each dragon's breath. If it's less than the 1e damage, I should probably stick a note in so that the designer knows that.

OK, I understand now. FRUA follows 1e rules on this: the breath damage is always the same as the dragon's base hit points.
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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 12:10:05 AM »
If you're asking in regards to DC, it would be nice if the designer could actually input the amount of damage they'd like the dragon to do with the breath weapon.  After all, 2nd Edition handles breath weapons in a completely different manner, which I happen to like better.
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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 11:34:00 AM »
Thanks, nologgie. :)

As for how DC will handle it - I'm going to set the defaults at 1e values. But, because of the way this is done, i.e. the scripting language, it is pretty straight-forward to change it to anything you would like to. :D

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Re: Dragon breath
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 03:15:10 PM »
The breath damage should, I think, be set by reference to The total HP of the dragon. It needs to take into account that changing the difficulty setting changes the dragon's HP (and breath damage). At least, that is how it worked in FRUA.

 

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