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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2010, 11:02:59 AM »
Watching it now, it still looks funny, but in a good way. Maybe I should watch Swordsman I first.
 

The Swordsman trilogy is what I've referred to as a symphony of ironies.  Swordsman 2 is the best and easiest to find (because of Jet Li's popularity).  Swordsman 1 lacked 2's gravitas, while 3 lacked the titular swordsman, had the least humor, and IMO suffered from focusing too much on political commentary (although to western eyes that commentary was anything but clear).  Swordsman 2 struck a perfect balance of elements. 

The "force" and wire-fu stuff are bold, unapologetic representations of the legendary/mythical powers which were increasingly attributed to kung fu practitioners during medieval China.  The abilities of real martial artists, like Shaolin monks, became wildly exaggerated by storytellers.  The core premise of a martial artist learning to control his "chi" or inner/spiritual power is a demonstrable reality, tho nothing remotely close to these folklore versions.  A clash of fact against popular fiction occured during the Boxer Rebellion (1900), where members of the Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists (the "boxers") believed that they were invulnerable to bullets thanks to a particularly occultic martial arts style, which to their chagrins turned out not to be the case on actual battlefields. 

Super-exaggerated depictions of martial arts powers were common in the early days of Chinese cinema, before trending closer to realistic during the 50's, 60's, and 70's.  Tsui Hark returned to the classic exaggerations, with increased style, when he helped launched Hong Kong's New Wave Cinema, with films like Swordsman and A Chinese Ghost Story, in the 80's. 

The eye-popping, and often surreal, cinematic devices of unusual camera angles, zooms, camera lenses, lighting, and fast editing, as well, were hallmarks of Hong Kong's New Wave, initiated by Hark, John Woo, and a few other directors of the same time.

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2010, 02:30:32 PM »
Still, one question remains: Where on earth is the World of Martial Arts?  :D
 

You'd think it would be Mars, or maybe a sub-section of Disney World, but you'd be wrong...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jianghu

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2010, 03:24:59 PM »
The eye-popping, and often surreal, cinematic devices of unusual camera angles, zooms, camera lenses, lighting, and fast editing, as well, were hallmarks of Hong Kong's New Wave, initiated by Hark, John Woo, and a few other directors of the same time.

I think that, despite these techniques, the action scenes in these Hong Kong films are still much more comprehensible than some of the "shaky-cam and cutting every 0,5 seconds" action flicks that Hollywood has produced in recent years (yeah, I'm looking at you, Mr. Bourne).

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2010, 06:23:03 PM »
I think that, despite these techniques, the action scenes in these Hong Kong films are still much more comprehensible than some of the "shaky-cam and cutting every 0,5 seconds" action flicks that Hollywood has produced in recent years (yeah, I'm looking at you, Mr. Bourne).
 

I totally agree.   ;D 

BTW, speaking of Swordsman 2, I have a character in my first mod/demo, "Fire and Water," who wears the same scholar's outfit that Jet Li and his friends wear in that film.  Direct influence, again. 

Unlike my other Asian mods, which are very Japanese in flavor, F&W was a Chinese fantasy.  Perhaps, someday, I'll try to rename a few things in the OA Worldhack to Chinese equivalents, and see if they take (OA's Ckit was heavily re-written by Brian, I'm led to understand, so that it would be very unfriendly to most Ckit hacking proggies, but I might be able to get away with some simple renames).  Then I might return to the Jiang Hu...

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2010, 05:55:18 PM »
Hard-Boiled (John Woo),
A Better Tomorrow (John Woo),

What they did to John Woo's early films in Germany was a crime.

I remember trying to watch "Hard-Boiled" on VHS once, and it was rated "not under 18", but still about 30 minutes were cut from the movie. 30 minutes! The film was an incomprehensible mess.

While John Woo's later (Hollywood) movies are seriously bad, I should really seek out uncut versions of his earlier films. That should be possible now.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2010, 10:43:46 PM »
The opening credits of "Irezumi" (Japanese for "inserting ink" ie: tattooing):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUExvfOAVXY&feature=related

Perhaps this reminds you of Curse of the Azure Bonds, where your party awakes to discover themselves with some strange body art added.  I've long felt that CAB could be converted into a very interesting and fun OA mod.  If only I had more time...

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2010, 08:14:42 PM »
These types of Japanese myths might easily provide a basis for an interesting OA mini-mod: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ly-R_HLDNg&feature=related

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2010, 07:16:51 PM »
For a simple folklore story to be inspirational for a mini-mod, I'm normally thinking about four points: 

1.  It must revolve around an emotionally-charged situation for the characters.  (The above two stories are about passionate lovers, so they'd both qualify on this count.) 

2.  There must be a first twist, or unexpected occurance.   (The revelation of the supernatural origin of one lover would fit this, from both stories.) 

3.  There must be a way to contrive at least one combat into the story at a pivotal, climatic junction.   (e.g. For these stories, this might be done by the introduction of a lover's rival, or by stirring up the ire of greater supernatural forces.) 

4.  There must be a second twist or surprise ending.  (I like to come up with these on my own, so that the original folklore remains the jumping off point for a tale that becomes uniquely my own.)

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2011, 09:51:58 PM »
I've done quite a few midi conversions for OA, but, alas, here are some Japanese tunes that I never found midis for...

The Seven Samurai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_e4m3bl5_U

Yojimbo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBw99ghST1g

The Streetfighter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZQpmNsbMI
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2011, 10:26:27 PM »
Music from the movie "Kill!" with some samurai poster art: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtbPjz4sTk&feature=more_related

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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2011, 10:24:02 AM »
Music from the movie "Kill!"

That's a good title! :D
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2011, 12:44:18 PM »
That's a good title! :D
 

It's a good movie, too.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill! One of a slew of fine films from the Yojimbo-inspired ronin (masterless samurai) sub-genre, sometimes referred to as "stray dogs" style.

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2011, 01:22:39 PM »
Here are some trailers of some of my favorite films in the "stray-dog" vein:

Kill!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1obRvUM2M  

Three Outlaw Samurai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDy04W28wNc

The Shadow Hunters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5vlGkXf18Q 

And the long-running Zatoichi movie series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFIQSR9zUs


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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2011, 11:22:45 AM »
Although technically a ninja rather than ronin, this old-timey anime "Sasuke" also took some pages out of the "stray dog" manual, or should I say "stray pup":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq8yIUoFEe0&feature=related 

I wish some company would translate this series into English. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 09:18:34 PM »
Kung Fu, Enter the Dragon, Shogun and Kill Bill for me.

 

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