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Title: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 10, 2010, 11:52:40 PM
I figure OA needs its own thread for stuff like this. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEeb9rOKn3Y&feature=more_related   

I wish I was a faster mod-maker.  I'd love to do another OA mod soon, but my last one was OA, and I there other genres that need loving, too.   :-[
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on October 11, 2010, 02:15:29 AM
That's... um... interesting.

Will it inspire you to make an OA mod about Rakshasas and Carcasses?   ;)
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 11, 2010, 06:41:01 AM
Very cool song, hans (notwithstanding the lyrics  :D)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9boVDep-diw
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 11, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
I like your Kitaro link, too, Olivier.   ;D 

I enjoyed the 2007 live-action movie for what it was (not great, but watchable in a weirdly goofy way).  I wish he'd really come to the States, tho.  He's hugely popular in Japan, but, to my knowledge, none of his manga or many anime incarnations have seen wide releases here.   :( 

I have a couple of midis of his theme song in my stash, that I may someday convert if they should ever fill a mod need.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 11, 2010, 11:41:18 AM
Shigeru Mizuki's work is not very known over here either, I fear. I recently read and enjoyed NonNonBâ which kind of reminisces about his childhood spent in a rural village and all the yokai stories an old woman used to tell him which inspired him to dedicate his work to that part of Japanes folk culture. I had to read it in a French translation though - there's also a Spanish one, I believe, but to my knowledge no German or English one yet, although I read that the independent comic publisher Drawn & Quarterly bought the rights for the North American English version. I've found it a very interesting read.

(http://idata.over-blog.com/0/25/90/37/NonNonB--/nnb-chose-invisible.jpg) (http://www.metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/muraki_chigusa.jpg)
"Just because one does not perceive invisible things does not mean they do not exist."
(http://theswedishparrot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nononba.jpg) (http://www.metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/azuki-harari.jpg)
(read from right to left) "Why do you pray? There's noone inside this house." - "You should not say things like that, or else an otoroshi will appear before you." - "An otoroshi? What's that?" - "If you only pray to obtain a favour like the infidels, an otoroshi will befall you from the temple door." - "I... I'm scared..."

(read from right to left) "You called me?" - "Say, are you friends with the God of Death?"

Sorry for the rough translation!  :-[
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 11, 2010, 11:51:17 AM
Cool!   :D

It's also very clear, now, that you could write a very fine OA mod!   ;)
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 11, 2010, 12:00:24 PM
Well, I've been toying with the thought for a long time but I had a few setbacks with OAUA and sadly I always seem to lack time and more importantly focus...  ;)


Hardly an insider's tip but I just love these two anime movies connected to yokai:   :D
(http://www.japankino.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/vlcsnap-135391.jpg) (http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/My-Neighbor-Totoro-b03.jpg)
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Vix on October 11, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
They had some nice homage to Totorro in Toy Story 3.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 12, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
A nice tribute to Zatoichi, the blind swordsman, from a long-running, high-quality film series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV_820uuz-k&feature=more_related   
Meanwhile...

Godzilla-like rubber-suit giant monsters are no trouble for Akakage (Red Shadow), the ninja!  I wish somebody would put this Japanese tv series from the 60's on DVD, here in the States...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwd5Sk_Musw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-hL0xicRYg&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ECRy_rTGbk&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 13, 2010, 11:02:29 AM
The Foxes' Wedding (from the first episodes of Kurosawa's Dreams)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHususa_mL4&feature=related

And now for something completely different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAJc_1qWps&feature=related
(probably the first Asian fantasy flick - if not the first Hong Kong movie - I ever saw, in the early 90's)

(You need some patience to watch and appreciate these videos, especially since the second one is completely in Chinese  ;) - but comprehensibly nevetheless.)
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on October 13, 2010, 11:05:02 AM
And now for something completely different:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIAJc_1qWps&feature=related
(probably the first Asian fantasy movie I ever saw, in the early 90's)

The first one I ever saw was "The East is Red", aka China Swordsman (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105655/), and it totally weirded me out.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 14, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
IIRC, it was Spring '94 when a local theater chain held a Hong Kong Film Festival -- 2 weeks, 14 films (split into 2 film double features for 2 day runs).  They got a lot of my money during those two weeks, but I can't remember a theater experience ever to have been so sublime.  It was heaven on earth to be able to see such masterpieces on the big screen as:
A Chinese Ghost Story (your pick Olivier),
God of Gamblers (Chow Yun Fat),
Saviour of the Soul,
Once Upon a Time in China 2 (Jet Li),
Hard-Boiled (John Woo),
A Better Tomorrow (John Woo),
Police Story 3: Supercop (Jackie Chan, Michelle Khan),
Armour of God 2: Operation Condor (Jackie Chan),
Project A: Part 2 (Jackie Chan)
Peking Opera Blues (Brigette Lin),
and Swordsman 2 (the film that introduced the character of Invincible Asia, played by Brigette Lin, who continued the role in Swordsman 3: The East is Red -- your pick Ben). 

A fairly common motif in my mods is the haunting or haunted woman.  Tsui Hark's A Chinese Ghost Story &, moreso, his Swordsman 2 are probably direct influences on me in this regard.  Brigette Lin played such women to beyond perfection, before she retired.  Here she is in a montage from Swordsman 2, one of my favorite movies of all time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRJjZpp11dQ
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 14, 2010, 11:22:15 PM
As Halloween approaches, some Japanese monsters... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xTpTSh6a4&feature=related

[Warning: some painted nudes & gore in the following link]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3UmsvTcFE

[Warning: gross-looking art & one butt in this next one]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZwiWwjnK5Q&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on October 15, 2010, 03:35:27 AM
I've found that The East is Red (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krf2PfA8RTw) is available on Youtube in its entirety.

I can still see how this movie was a little "too much" for my western sensibilities when I first saw it, having grown up watching primarily American and European movies: The constant posturing, the overabundance of dutch angles (see 1:36 for a great example), the crazy zooms and closeups, people using a mixture or martial arts and The Force, people pulled around on wires the whole time (see the guy flying up the cliff at 8:01 - hilarious) - and on top of that, there was no indication in the German version that this was the third part of a trilogy (I guess that most of the blood fountains were also cut out of the TV version, adding further to the incoherence).

And I still vividly remember the ship-to-ship fight scene - probably one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in any movie.

Watching it now, it still looks funny, but in a good way. Maybe I should watch Swordsman I first.

Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 15, 2010, 08:37:37 AM
Still, one question remains: Where on earth is the World of Martial Arts?  :D
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 15, 2010, 11:02:59 AM
Watching it now, it still looks funny, but in a good way. Maybe I should watch Swordsman I first.
 

The Swordsman trilogy is what I've referred to as a symphony of ironies.  Swordsman 2 is the best and easiest to find (because of Jet Li's popularity).  Swordsman 1 lacked 2's gravitas, while 3 lacked the titular swordsman, had the least humor, and IMO suffered from focusing too much on political commentary (although to western eyes that commentary was anything but clear).  Swordsman 2 struck a perfect balance of elements. 

The "force" and wire-fu stuff are bold, unapologetic representations of the legendary/mythical powers which were increasingly attributed to kung fu practitioners during medieval China.  The abilities of real martial artists, like Shaolin monks, became wildly exaggerated by storytellers.  The core premise of a martial artist learning to control his "chi" or inner/spiritual power is a demonstrable reality, tho nothing remotely close to these folklore versions.  A clash of fact against popular fiction occured during the Boxer Rebellion (1900), where members of the Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists (the "boxers") believed that they were invulnerable to bullets thanks to a particularly occultic martial arts style, which to their chagrins turned out not to be the case on actual battlefields. 

Super-exaggerated depictions of martial arts powers were common in the early days of Chinese cinema, before trending closer to realistic during the 50's, 60's, and 70's.  Tsui Hark returned to the classic exaggerations, with increased style, when he helped launched Hong Kong's New Wave Cinema, with films like Swordsman and A Chinese Ghost Story, in the 80's. 

The eye-popping, and often surreal, cinematic devices of unusual camera angles, zooms, camera lenses, lighting, and fast editing, as well, were hallmarks of Hong Kong's New Wave, initiated by Hark, John Woo, and a few other directors of the same time.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 15, 2010, 02:30:32 PM
Still, one question remains: Where on earth is the World of Martial Arts?  :D
 

You'd think it would be Mars, or maybe a sub-section of Disney World, but you'd be wrong...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jianghu
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on October 15, 2010, 03:24:59 PM
The eye-popping, and often surreal, cinematic devices of unusual camera angles, zooms, camera lenses, lighting, and fast editing, as well, were hallmarks of Hong Kong's New Wave, initiated by Hark, John Woo, and a few other directors of the same time.

I think that, despite these techniques, the action scenes in these Hong Kong films are still much more comprehensible than some of the "shaky-cam and cutting every 0,5 seconds" action flicks that Hollywood has produced in recent years (yeah, I'm looking at you, Mr. Bourne).

Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 15, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
I think that, despite these techniques, the action scenes in these Hong Kong films are still much more comprehensible than some of the "shaky-cam and cutting every 0,5 seconds" action flicks that Hollywood has produced in recent years (yeah, I'm looking at you, Mr. Bourne).
 

I totally agree.   ;D 

BTW, speaking of Swordsman 2, I have a character in my first mod/demo, "Fire and Water," who wears the same scholar's outfit that Jet Li and his friends wear in that film.  Direct influence, again. 

Unlike my other Asian mods, which are very Japanese in flavor, F&W was a Chinese fantasy.  Perhaps, someday, I'll try to rename a few things in the OA Worldhack to Chinese equivalents, and see if they take (OA's Ckit was heavily re-written by Brian, I'm led to understand, so that it would be very unfriendly to most Ckit hacking proggies, but I might be able to get away with some simple renames).  Then I might return to the Jiang Hu...
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on October 16, 2010, 05:55:18 PM
Hard-Boiled (John Woo),
A Better Tomorrow (John Woo),

What they did to John Woo's early films in Germany was a crime.

I remember trying to watch "Hard-Boiled" on VHS once, and it was rated "not under 18", but still about 30 minutes were cut from the movie. 30 minutes! The film was an incomprehensible mess.

While John Woo's later (Hollywood) movies are seriously bad, I should really seek out uncut versions of his earlier films. That should be possible now.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 16, 2010, 10:43:46 PM
The opening credits of "Irezumi" (Japanese for "inserting ink" ie: tattooing):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUExvfOAVXY&feature=related

Perhaps this reminds you of Curse of the Azure Bonds, where your party awakes to discover themselves with some strange body art added.  I've long felt that CAB could be converted into a very interesting and fun OA mod.  If only I had more time...
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 23, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
These types of Japanese myths might easily provide a basis for an interesting OA mini-mod: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ly-R_HLDNg&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 25, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
For a simple folklore story to be inspirational for a mini-mod, I'm normally thinking about four points: 

1.  It must revolve around an emotionally-charged situation for the characters.  (The above two stories are about passionate lovers, so they'd both qualify on this count.) 

2.  There must be a first twist, or unexpected occurance.   (The revelation of the supernatural origin of one lover would fit this, from both stories.) 

3.  There must be a way to contrive at least one combat into the story at a pivotal, climatic junction.   (e.g. For these stories, this might be done by the introduction of a lover's rival, or by stirring up the ire of greater supernatural forces.) 

4.  There must be a second twist or surprise ending.  (I like to come up with these on my own, so that the original folklore remains the jumping off point for a tale that becomes uniquely my own.)
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on February 07, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
I've done quite a few midi conversions for OA, but, alas, here are some Japanese tunes that I never found midis for...

The Seven Samurai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_e4m3bl5_U

Yojimbo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBw99ghST1g

The Streetfighter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZQpmNsbMI
 :'(
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on March 08, 2011, 10:26:27 PM
Music from the movie "Kill!" with some samurai poster art: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtbPjz4sTk&feature=more_related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Ben J on March 09, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
Music from the movie "Kill!"

That's a good title! :D
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on March 09, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
That's a good title! :D
 

It's a good movie, too.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill! One of a slew of fine films from the Yojimbo-inspired ronin (masterless samurai) sub-genre, sometimes referred to as "stray dogs" style.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on March 09, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
Here are some trailers of some of my favorite films in the "stray-dog" vein:

Kill!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1obRvUM2M  

Three Outlaw Samurai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDy04W28wNc  

The Shadow Hunters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5vlGkXf18Q 

And the long-running Zatoichi movie series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRFIQSR9zUs  

Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on March 10, 2011, 11:22:45 AM
Although technically a ninja rather than ronin, this old-timey anime "Sasuke" also took some pages out of the "stray dog" manual, or should I say "stray pup":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq8yIUoFEe0&feature=related   

I wish some company would translate this series into English. 
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: GoldBoxFan on March 14, 2011, 09:18:34 PM
Kung Fu, Enter the Dragon, Shogun and Kill Bill for me.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on March 15, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
Kung Fu, Enter the Dragon, Shogun and Kill Bill for me.
 

Kill Bill was jam-packed with references and tributes to many Chinese & Japanese cinema greats, as this Amazon list demonstrates:  http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Bill-Reference-List/lm/T1JNI8VU0GM5.  This video is only a sampling of the Eastern & Western influences in Kill Bill:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWpY9P9tzSw&feature=player_embedded#at=12.  Tarantino even used the Shaw Brothers' studio "ShawScope" logo at the start of his film:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3in9MVstU&NR=1. 

Sometime I should post some Kill Bill related martial arts movie recommendations...
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on April 04, 2011, 10:22:38 PM
A modestly sublime cartoon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHCtQ2x5tRw
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on April 07, 2011, 09:52:43 AM
Now, on the heavier side, a Faux Japanimation samurai duel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfNfBSivko&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 01, 2011, 10:06:27 PM
I got to see Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame at one of my city's art house theaters, yesterday.  Very good, tho not quite up to Hero or Crouching Tiger levels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1LN656YUuU
Usually, I get to see Asian movies only on DVD, so when I get the opportunity to see one up on the big screen, the way they were meant to be seen, it's a real delight. 

I am a huge fan of the Judge Dee mystery novels of Robert van Gulik. 
http://blog.catherinedelors.com/the-judge-dee-mysteries-and-robert-van-gulik/ 
Judge Dee was a real person in ancient China, who became a folk hero through the Chinese mystery/detective genre.
The fiction bears only a little resemblance to the historical, and the movie even less to either. 

I recommend the movie, and strongly recommend the novels.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 09, 2011, 10:48:33 PM
OA Halloween moods: A run-thru of mythological Japanese monsters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm38TnMdXBo
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 10, 2011, 05:28:57 AM
OA Halloween moods: A run-thru of mythological Japanese monsters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm38TnMdXBo

I would love to watch that, but thanks to our beloved GEMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_musikalische_Auff%C3%BChrungs-_und_mechanische_Vervielf%C3%A4ltigungsrechte), I can't. :(
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 10, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
Here's another A-Z Japanese monsters vid, but one that supplies no info, only a pic of each:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y7a6EejJh4  
Here's one with no names or info, just vintage illustrations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Tk40Rg2r0&feature=related   

Here's a non-YouTube link, a wiki list of Japanese mythological monsters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures_from_Japan
Except for P, Q, V, and X, a mod could be created where you might fight your way through a whole alphabet of such monsters. 
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 15, 2011, 08:05:03 PM
Halloween moods from Japan:  Kappa are a somewhat turtle-like race of river monster-men in Japanese folklore.  The first song in this YouTube is "Kappa Boogie Woogie" for which, unfortunately, there is no lyrics translation. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABN0-tLrfzY 

Here's a snippet of Misora Hibari performing the song in (mild) costume:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2rtvAEBcus&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 17, 2011, 08:07:05 PM
Japanese Halloween moods, --music videos using clips from the anime Mononoke (not the Princess, but a mystic, medicine seller): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyJ41aIu4_g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4xNjbuk8bs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KNkk0G4qaU&feature=related 

I look at the sublime and haunting design motifs in these, and I think that I have done a very poor job in capturing the ambience of Japan, much less the rest of the Orient, with my Wallsets, Backdrops, & Combat Dungeons.  Perhaps, if I had a hundred years...
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 19, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Japanese Halloween moods, --dancing: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PJzVqJElE 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMrcGh7Wvpo
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 21, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Halloween mood, --a Japanese music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5l6TusQUQ&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 22, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
Not Halloweenie, but the unused theme song to Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlivViv4i_4   

Again, I bemoan the fact that I've never been able to find a midi version of this tune.  It would probably go well with the contest mod I'm working on. 
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: GoldBoxFan on October 23, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
My book inspirations are all TIME/LIFE: Chinese Myth and Mankind - Land of the Dragon, What Life Was Like In The Land of the Dragon, What Life Was Like Among Samurai and Shoguns, and whatever Time Frame books had the orient in the chapters.

EDIT: I don't have Realm of the Rising Sun: Japanese Myth, though I do have one about Japanese mythology which only has gods and humanoid spirits and ghosts. I also have Lost Civilization books on both countries and the Great Ages of Man on both.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 24, 2011, 03:41:02 PM
In a Japanese Halloween mood, --Yokai in anime: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lrGLSCmuk&feature=related
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Uatu on October 25, 2011, 12:58:39 AM
Funny how kappa have managed to become cuddly, huggable characters these days, considering their origins as monsters who ate victims' organs via their anuses...  but even humans have become more civilized over the years, perhaps kappas have decided to do the same.  :)

Japan has a whole ton of monsters, though - interesting "monster culture" considering that China has comparatively less (well, in modern times, few people know of any).  One of my favorites is the "shirime," a critter that looks like a travelling monk - until he "moons" victims with his strange arse, which features a single large eyeball in the center, after which he (?) flees.  We can even perhaps give it AD&D stats as follows:

Frequency: Rare; No. Appearing: 1; HD 1; THAC0 19; Damage per weapon (staff); SA: Stun victims 20' range for 1 round by showing strange arse (save vs. paralyzation at +3, +6 if not first time); SD: None.

Once DC is past 1.0 and creating other classes becomes possible at some point, it would be fun to have OA adventures for DC, too :D  (I can then use my few Asian-themed icons, i.e. the nupperibo, ogre mage, and ki-rin.)

Actually, one of my gripes with OA was that many monsters already represented in AD&D normal rules were re-added in OA with different names and stats - such as the oriental dragons (I was happy with the gold and mist dragons already), oni (the ogre mage was this already), and so on.  It was also too Japan-centrified, perhaps because of the main author's (François Marcela-Froideval's) preferences.
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 25, 2011, 03:59:51 PM
Funny how kappa have managed to become cuddly, huggable characters these days, considering their origins as monsters who ate victims' organs via their anuses... 
 

While normally more or less human sized, if one grows to colossal dimensions, it apparently becomes a "Death Kappa":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mFVu514iic    :P
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: Olivier Leroux on October 26, 2011, 06:30:59 AM
Funny how kappa have managed to become cuddly, huggable characters these days, considering their origins as monsters who ate victims' organs via their anuses...  but even humans have become more civilized over the years, perhaps kappas have decided to do the same.  :)

My impression was that it's not that uncommon in Japanese Mythology for creatures to have an ambiguos image, maybe similar to pranksters in other folklore. Because the same seems to apply to the Tanuki, for example, who are portrayed both as evil creatures playing mischievous selfish sometimes deadly tricks on others AND as funny cuddly little guys with a soft spot for booze (and *cough* giant-sized testicles):
(http://www.shakespeare-w.com/japanese_lessons/wp-content/uploads/01_tanuki_okimono.jpeg)

I've also read that the mangaka Shigeru Mizuki played a huge part in re-introducing creatures from Japanese folkore into the popular culture of Japan. If that's true I wonder if his manga characters helped soften the image of some of these monsters, or if they always were ambiguos in the first place?

(Besides, I don't know how this is seen in Japan, but to me even the threat of eating people's organs via their anuses seems somewhat silly, horrible but amusing.  ;) 
Speaking of the subject, here's a little something to illustrate the ambiguity and weirdness in these cuddly kappas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ2a53DVFUE&feature=related).  ;D )
Title: Re: OA Inspirations, etc., etc.
Post by: hans on October 26, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
Halloween moods, --a Japanese monster dance party. 

*Warning, this video has a couple of (probably) offensive images, such as a Konaki-jiji (old-man-baby-yokai) freely urinating, like a baby might, into the air.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MysI7Srn5QY&feature=related  

Here's a place where you can find a bit more info on Konaki-jiji and other monsters from Japanese folklore: 

http://obakemono.com/obake/konakijiji/
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Post by: hans on October 27, 2011, 09:51:38 PM
Halloween quickie, --a Rokurokubi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J2eOYhGUsI&feature=related
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Post by: hans on October 28, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
Another quickie: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrompytFj0A&feature=related
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Post by: hans on October 30, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
More Japanese Halloween moods, --more ukiyo-e yokai: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJ-HaypWFE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAml9lCggdc&feature=related
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Post by: hans on October 31, 2011, 03:51:38 PM
A bit more Japanese Halloweeness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VRZRNE-qUw
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Post by: Uatu on October 31, 2011, 10:00:37 PM
Manga, being Japan's main cultural medium, I would say not only softens monstrous images but also makes them concrete.  Of course, certain critters get much more spotlight than others - the kappas are perhaps the luckiest in this regard.

And right, Shigeru Mizuki was probably quite instrumental in making lots of monsters well-known, but there are other monster manga as well.  (He is a very funny old man, his house is full of his critters.)
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Post by: hans on October 31, 2011, 11:31:08 PM
Manga, being Japan's main cultural medium, I would say not only softens monstrous images but also makes them concrete.  Of course, certain critters get much more spotlight than others - the kappas are perhaps the luckiest in this regard...
 

Speaking of manga and kappas, I was reading a Samurai Executioner collection the other night that featured the story "Shinko the Kappa." 
http://www.mangarush.com/files/mangas/samurai-executioner/v-6/26/1.jpg   

While working on a mod in a specific genre, I like my light reading to keep me inspired -- helping me to meditate on and explore characters and story points, & how I might give them interesting details.
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Post by: hans on November 03, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
In keeping with the Winter contest theme, here's an exceptional piece of music by the exceptional Akira Ifukube (Godzilla & Seven Samurai), "The Snow and Daimajin":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiFzw6Xw_hs&NR=1 

Man, I wish I could find this one as a midi, too.  :P
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Post by: hans on November 25, 2011, 11:13:04 PM
Big jpeg of a yokai movie poster, allowing appreciation of its details:
http://trashymovie.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/100-monsters.jpg 

No winter obakemono, tho. 
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Post by: hans on December 03, 2011, 09:04:46 PM
Some of the music I've been listening to as I work on art for my Yuki-onna mod, to keep me in an OA mood: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMX9T8u79Io&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYhUWr_sut8&NR=1 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE3Z5dY9uRE
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Post by: hans on January 04, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
An odd mixture of Bleach anime and my favorite Chipmunks song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDibuwOHdGQ
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Post by: hans on January 11, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
"Kong Fu Girl VS Samurai Girl" short 'toon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXBE3F7APGo
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Post by: hans on January 17, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
More mood music I've been listening to as I work on my Yuki-onna mod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ORYtocLpw2I&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZwSIJqRoms&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVqhhluOv0I&feature=related
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Post by: hans on January 28, 2012, 11:04:55 PM
More music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8YCLVA-WE&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=tEwHIn8SO98&NR=1 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2aNnOF_RZ8&feature=related
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Post by: hans on February 09, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
Here are some nice Chinese traditional music videos: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrJgdeawUwo 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=jekQMQwmHN8&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ao-ubiXKmU&feature=related
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Post by: Vix on February 09, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Fun and re-playable game called Super Samurai Sweeper!

"Samurai meets Minesweeper! Defeat the Seven Daimyos and their Shogun, and restore peace to the land! As the Samurai, you will have to choose your battles carefully to overcome the enemies’ forces…"

Short(ish) and fun. Love the mood music for the game, too!
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Post by: hans on February 16, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
A short samurai toon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fErghpVrltc&feature=relmfu
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Post by: hans on March 26, 2012, 10:14:47 PM
Progress continues on my Yukionna mod. 

Here's some Chinese movie music that I've been listening to as I've been working on art: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ntD8nZpfA&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AuT7mqvsEI 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqXgCr1_B8&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXBwduBwyeQ&feature=related
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Post by: hans on April 16, 2012, 08:29:05 PM
More Oriental mood music I've been listening to while working on art for my mod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vEJ3z1vdX-I&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ggAEFeAxg0g&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qAIUrLsuYs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZutjH68Qc&NR=1&feature=endscreen
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Post by: hans on May 20, 2012, 11:14:54 PM
Some Chinese dances: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47GNvweu4vM&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXNG2n3GiY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om1DoUOKwwI&feature=relmfu 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=u8RUzY-XjPE&feature=fvwp

One of the challenges of OA mods is capturing some of the exotic lyricism associated with the milieu.

For example, with all the different anthropomorphic races, what sort of descriptive text might best serve to evoke an uncanny way in which one might talk or move?  A mere sentence or two, if well done, could add immense flavor to a scene.  Watching these dances, I think that I could probably have done something more with the descriptions in some of my mods...
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Post by: hans on August 10, 2012, 10:43:44 PM
Ken Utsui played Shigeo, the rich samurai in my Yukionna mod.  Here's Utsui playing Starman (SuperGiant in his own country) a Japanese superhero from the '60's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPi1ScT6H80
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Post by: hans on August 14, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Samurai women video clips 2 music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiUuf71K-dM&feature=related
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Post by: hans on October 23, 2012, 10:20:42 PM
Halloween mood: 

A very disturbing Japanese music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3DojpEXPM&feature=related
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Post by: hans on November 06, 2012, 07:30:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycqwmYgjuA

The Man with the Iron Fists is fairly good, if judged by B-movie standards. 

Russell Crowe and Lucy Liu do much to elevate it.  Both are fine actors, but, really, Crowe seems like he should be above appearing in this grade of movie.  It seems like it should be a step beneath him...  He does appear rather overweight in the film, so maybe he was enticed by some really good catering? 

The story gives many nods to old school kung fu movies, but the action is by New Wave (if we can still call it that, at this late date) Hong Kong choreographer Cory Yuen.  So, the glory of Shaw Brothers or Bruce Lee is hinted at, but never approached.  Moreover, as directed and cut by star and writer (and famous hip-hop artist) RZA, much of the action flows in choppy music video style, allowing only several fights to become honest, martial art showcases. 

RZA must be fulfilling a boyhood dream to be the hero of a chop-socky movie, but his acting chops aren't up to the task.  To make things worse, his character is given the most boring backstory of trite cliches, which all adds up to a lengthy death-lull of excitement when it gets told in flashbacks. 

Still, on the whole, the movie has plenty of slick flash which makes it ultimately pretty fun.  Rated "R" mostly for bits of gangster-rap dialog and unbelievable spurts of CGI blood.   
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Post by: Milos Gulan on November 07, 2012, 04:53:53 AM
Awesome thanks for posting that :) Lucy Liu is my fav actress and Russell Crowe is also good. It seem it might be interesting to see it after all.
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Post by: GoldBoxFan on November 07, 2012, 09:38:42 AM
Awesome thanks for posting that :) Lucy Liu is my fav actress.
Then you must be a fan of Elementary?  8)
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Post by: Milos Gulan on November 07, 2012, 10:14:04 AM
I might be :) thanks for that for now I am mostly fan of Star Trek, Friends and Battlestar Galactica
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Post by: hans on February 14, 2013, 11:32:21 AM
The climactic fight sequence from the Shaw Brothers movie Magnificent Ruffians (1979), turned into a fan-made music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrn8bxtT9hM   

It features the core members of what is known as the Venoms mob.  Their background was Chinese opera, and put into the Shaw Brothers elaborate indoor sets, it made their fights among the most theatrical ever filmed. 

For more on the Venoms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_Mob  
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Post by: hans on April 09, 2013, 11:28:48 PM
The Women of Wuxia Films (1-3):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo4453pIIVM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj_KV-Anb-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-F3bQ5Zpfg
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Post by: Milos Gulan on April 10, 2013, 02:21:09 AM
I have to say that Wuxia films are very new to me. They look nice with all those weapons and outfits but I think they jump a bit higher then I would expect. I watched some films about some Chinese medieval I think royal or noble family and well there wasn't much fighting but was very nice to watch and I wish I could find something like that :) lol I watched friends yesterday too on You tube I wish I could find a chinese like version :).

Here is just one intro of the film I think was inspiration for Mortal Combat game which lately is really more violent then it it should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXZqycKQ1sI
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Post by: hans on April 12, 2013, 08:04:02 PM
High jumps are nothing in the wuxia genre.  In some stories, the most skilled characters can virtually fly.  Here are some notes I included in my first UA mod (from before OAUA existed), Fire and Water:
------------
"Light skill" (or, in Chinese, "ching kwon" or "qinggong") plays an
important role in my mod.  It refers to a *kung fu* specialization
which allows the practioner to accomplish extraordinary feats of
balance and gymnastics.  In reality, it's like the daring acrobatics
of Jackie Chan.  In Chinese fiction and legends, however, this ability
is exaggerated further into trampoline-like leaps, balancing lightly
on sharpened spear points, --or even further, actual levitation, and
the ultimate:  flying around like Superman! 

"Ching kwon", in my experience, is most often given the literal
translation "light skill", which is what I decided to call it in my
mod (though I realize that may be a bit confusing to most folks). 
I've seen other, rather seriously flawed, translations such as
"jumping" and "flying".  Here are some other translations offered
by Simon Lai (aka: The Magician) which future Oriental mod authors
may find more pleasing: 
   
 * airy foot/feet
 * airy step
 * "levitating skill"
 * air levitation 
------------- 

Here's a selective filmography of some of the best (IMO) wuxia films:

Come Drink with Me (1966)
Have Sword Will Travel (1969)
The Water Margin/Seven Blows of the Dragon (1972)
The Magic Blade (1976)
Five Venoms/Five Deadly Venoms (1978)
Kid with the Golden Arm (1979)
Last Hurrah for Chivalry (1979)
Bat Without Wings (1980)
Swordsman II/The Legend of the Swordsman (1992)
Dragon Inn (1992)
The Bride with White Hair (1993)
Ashes of Time (1994)/Ashes of Time Redux (2008)
The Storm Riders (1998) & sequel The Storm Warriors (2009)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)
Hero (2002)
House of Flying Daggers (2004)
Flying Swords of Dragon Gate (2011)
 

Recently, there has been a trend in Chinese films toward historical costume dramas centered around war and politics.  Heavy armor and an abundance of shields are well evidenced in this type of movie.  Although the heroes may display some wuxia skills and maybe touch upon a few wuxia themes, I wouldn't class them as true wuxia films.  Some folks have started to call them wuxia armor movies.  They tend to focus on emperors and generals, whereas true wuxia heroes are typically aloof to, or estranged from, political authorities. 
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Post by: hans on April 18, 2013, 11:09:24 PM
Just released on DVD in the U.S. is a terrific film, starring Donnie Yen, Dragon (Wu Xia):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btCJKjAvBn0 

A worthy addition to the above list.   ;)
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Post by: Milos Gulan on April 19, 2013, 08:33:11 AM
Well just a song that is well OA like :) Beat of Angels - Atlantis Princess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLzaMU9Nd3I
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Post by: hans on April 22, 2013, 07:51:27 PM
Offbeat, oddball, politically-incorrect...  a band and a song that are almost indescribeable...  Cruella De Ville doing "The Hong Kong Swing":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCo1lRyX5xs&feature=related
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Post by: Milos Gulan on April 23, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
Well here is one Chinese band I like, I don't have their favorite song but this one looks good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MphuZ4EFZjU

Btw, today I felt like I really don't know much :) I wish I could learn more and fast :)
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Post by: Uatu on April 23, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
Qinggong can be spelled Ch'ing-kung, but not Ching Kwon.  It is exaggerated in the wuxia movies, but really was (is) practiced by martial artists (and thieves) back in the day.  Not all qinggong skills (there are various types) involve leaping, although many do; some involve running up and down walls (paoqiang), others involve extremely fast lateral movement (as if one is "floating" although of course one does not).  Some old qinggong training involved walking around the edge of a basket, starting with it full, and then gradually removing the contents of it.  :)
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Post by: hans on April 25, 2013, 12:23:17 AM
Qinggong can be spelled Ch'ing-kung, but not Ching Kwon.
 

My source for "Ching Kwon" was my good chum, Simon Lai.  I still have his note to me, which read: "light skill" - that's a word for word direct translation of what I call "ching kwon" (or however you might spell it in english).   Heh, heh, I should have paid more attention to that last bit and done more research on the proper Romanized spelling.    :P 

My earlier quote was from the docs to my first mod/demo, "Fire  and Water," ULed around 1998.  In a later OA mod, "An Oriental Alphabet Primer" (OAOA.zip), I gave a definition of "qinggong" within the mod, itself, that does not include the dubious "ching kwon."  :-[
 
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Post by: Nol Drek on April 27, 2013, 03:00:37 PM
There is a MMO called "Age of Wushu". I haven't tried it, but it  looks like there is a free to play option.

http://www.ageofwushu.com/home/
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Post by: Uatu on April 29, 2013, 10:53:06 PM
Heh, heh - well, to be fair, there are lots of Romanization methods, all of which are different :D  Japanese romanization can be weird sometimes, too - such as zyuzitu for jujitsu...  obviously, some Romanization methods did not really think about how foreigners would pronounce these words...

The "gong" in "qinggong" is the same "gong" as in "gongfu."
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Post by: hans on May 05, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
The extraordinary title sequence from Deaf Mute Heroine, a lady wuxia movie from the 70's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zc3LM-sxro
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Post by: hans on May 27, 2013, 08:38:29 PM
Two music videos from recent DVD releases featuring Chinese hengeyokai (animal spirits who've taken human form):

The Sorcerer and the White Snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2vbV9p84eo

Painted Skin II: The Resurrection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukv3SwbaAXw 

The latter is the better (and more adult) movie, but both are worth a watch.
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Post by: Milos Gulan on May 28, 2013, 12:52:46 AM
Wow those vids are wonderful, and chinese and japanese people can look very pretty indeed. It is interesting though that there are no blonde people there :) and well though i like black haired people still i was just amazed when i realized it before few years. My family is mostly blonde and blue eyed and pale skined and a bit bald too :) but well interesting i guess those black skinned people (like africans) don't have blonde people also :) Hm i just wanted to point that out, not that i wanted to achieve anything but saying it :) just a thought from my viewpoint.
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Post by: ProphetSword on May 28, 2013, 11:13:42 AM
Wow those vids are wonderful, and chinese and japanese people can look very pretty indeed. It is interesting though that there are no blonde people there :) and well though i like black haired people still i was just amazed when i realized it before few years. My family is mostly blonde and blue eyed and pale skined and a bit bald too :) but well interesting i guess those black skinned people (like africans) don't have blonde people also :) Hm i just wanted to point that out, not that i wanted to achieve anything but saying it :) just a thought from my viewpoint.

I doubt your intention was to sound racist, but to me, this is really pushing that line.
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Post by: Milos Gulan on May 28, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
No, that was not intention, i was just saying it with hm curiosity :) sorry if it looks like a bit rude or something else maybe.
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Post by: ProphetSword on May 28, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
I didn't figure that was the intention.   I just wanted you to be aware that your statements could be taken that way (or maybe not, it really would depend on the individual).
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Post by: Milos Gulan on May 28, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Sorry about that i know it might be understood wrongly. I am aware of it but i didn't know how to say it better :) and as i said i didn't wanted to say anything bad.
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Post by: hans on September 03, 2013, 06:10:39 PM
Wong Kar Wai's The Grandmaster is playing in limited release (it's subtitled).  It's a beautiful movie from one of the art houses' fave directors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5amKLgnFU
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Post by: hans on December 30, 2013, 06:56:13 PM
47 Ronin, starring Keanu Reeves, is a good movie.  It injects mythical fantasy elements into the classic Japanese story.  This also reflects the balance of elements found in TSR's Oriental Adventures (OA). 
 :read2:

Unfortunately, it pales considerably in comparison to The Desolation of Smaug, which it is competing against at the box-office. 
 :happy1:
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Post by: Milos Gulan on December 31, 2013, 03:00:14 AM
Wow both movies looks good, Grandmaster and 47 Ronins. Oriental adventures really can look good and be refreshing :) wish i could make some but for now will try playing :D

Ninja Assassin :) looks good i guess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYH26KTNbQ
and Shinobi new version of older game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSxGz4s135c
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Post by: Uatu on June 18, 2014, 06:01:35 AM
47 is a lot of ronin...  Samurai unemployment rates high or what?  :D
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Post by: Vix on June 18, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
47 is a lot of ronin...  Samurai unemployment rates high or what?  :D

Yes. It is so bad they have had to subsist on 47 Ramen, as well.