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Offline Paul R. Stevens

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2017, 04:45:16 PM »
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Has anyone else noticed this?

Oh, yes.  Always.

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2017, 04:55:57 PM »
This does occasionally happen to me, but only when I'm using 1024x768 designs in full screen. I was just trying to get this to happen in the project i have open, which is 640x480. It won't, but I'm also in Win 8...

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2017, 07:22:48 PM »
I have been fiddling with this over the last hour.
I am playing one of our test cases for the Special
Graphics in 640x480 resolution.  Something goes wrong
very occasionally.  But.....

I can get a strange result very reliably when I play the
game and load a design with a newer engine.  A MessageBox
is displayed saying that things might not go well.  The
MessageBox is surrounded with a couple dozen pixels of
the underlying desktop.  Perhaps this is caused by the same
'bug' (windoze or DungeonCraft bug).  At any rate, it is worth
pursuing since it can be reliably reproduced.

The big problem:
a) I inherited this project from CocoaSpud.  He did all the
display work.  It is totally gibberish to me.
b) The display depends on a library from the CDX project.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdx/files/?source=navbar
Last update:  2001.  Oh, boy!  I was hoping for an update
for Windoze 10.
c) The CDX is based on Windows DirectShow which is also
totally gibberish to me.

So.....I am going to hold my nose and jump into the deep
end of the pool.  No lifeguards visible. :-(  If you have access
to any God, ask him to spare me.

Just to make things better  --  I had lenses in both my eyes
replaced in the last two weeks.  The only way I can see the letters
on my screen is by enlarging everything to about 24-point bold typeface
and wearing some reading glasses.  (Things will improve when my
eyes are stable and I can get prescription lenses.)

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2017, 07:32:39 AM »
The more we have to thank for your efforts, Paul. I hope your eyes get well soon!
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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2017, 09:44:44 PM »
It seems to me the the problem is that DungeonCraft is
running in a screen resolution different than the native resolution
of the display.  Things appear to go wrong when an underlying
window updates itself.  For a moment, the screen resolution
reverts to the native resolution.  If DC attempts to draw something
during that moment, problems occur.

I would appreciate it if a few folks who are bothered by this
problem could perform the following test:  Close (or minimixze)
all windows.  Put a shortcut to the DungeonCraft executable
on your desktop so that you do not need to have a Windows Explorer
open.  Use that shortcut to run DungeonCraft.  In Windows 10 you
might even do this test on a dedicated new desktop if, for some reason,
you would like to keep some other windows active.

So far, I have seen no problems when I follow this recipe.  I am
interested in learning your results.

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 07:59:31 PM »
When asked why FRUA users would be hesitant to play DC modules, there are many reasons...

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2017, 09:03:41 PM »
Whoa.

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2017, 09:30:15 PM »
Must be an older version of the engine.  An error
occurred near the end that has been repaired sometime in
the past.

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there are many reasons..

Can you share one or two?

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 11:00:57 PM »
What the...  not exactly the mod to attract players/creators to DC's fold.  (Also, not a fan of the art modifications there.)

I also saw the blinking Windows Explorer, too (I have Windows 8) - it does seem that one way to avoid it is to not have Explorer open, as the venerable Paul (many thanks for your continued hard work on DC!) says.

As for the main topic - I cannot help much on the engine side, but I do art requests sometimes.  (Requests that I like and that have general applicability have the best chance of succeeding!)  My apologies that I am not very quick these days.
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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2017, 02:10:30 AM »
Whoa.
Indeed...
But this may indicate that there are many more DC users than we are aware of...
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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2017, 02:05:12 PM »
Sigh...

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2017, 05:28:07 PM »
Can you share one or two?

I would feel sorry for any FRUA user (or a non-FRUA user, really) whose first experience with a DC module was a semi-racist, toilet-humor based garbage module that does nothing to showcase any of the strengths of the engine.

You guys put so much love into the engine, and that particular module shows none of it.  Are there any reviews of good DC modules available on YouTube?  Would anyone like to do one?  Perhaps posting "Let's Play" type videos of some of the better modules or video reviews could help.

You can find a video showing play of that particular module here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUJYqsfsaHg&t=70s

I'm not sure that's the best face for DC out there.
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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2017, 07:51:43 PM »
...I'm not sure that's the best face for DC out there.
 

Seconded. 

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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2017, 03:08:13 AM »
I would feel sorry for any FRUA user (or a non-FRUA user, really) whose first experience with a DC module was a semi-racist, toilet-humor based garbage module that does nothing to showcase any of the strengths of the engine.
I have not yet watched the video for more than a few seconds, but scanning over it the graphical inconsistency already repelled me, not so much the style mixture but how existing art had been changed (not to say violated in some cases).
One thing I also noted directly was that the music is from other games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, which made me wonder if a selection of free music might also be a nice addition to DC...

Concerning reviews: We have 9 modules reviewed so far, but 24 modules. After reviewing T1- The Village of Hommlet and The Dude In: Hotel California, I remember I wanted to go on with Border of Darkness, but was a little repelled and did not play more than half an hour. However, I guess this is why we should do more reviews: to analyse which problems occur in the different modules. I think I can do a few reviews during the coming weeks myself.
Not sure if I could do a video review or Let's Play, though. Has anybody already done something like that?
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Re: Are FRUA-Players reluctant to play DC designs?
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2017, 12:38:18 PM »
...I'm not sure that's the best face for DC out there.
 
The video was made 3 years ago by someone I have never heard of nor been in contact with. If any other designers had put up a vid of their own game, I would be happy to comment as to that on the video and on the reviewer's video.

But i don't think I'm going to comment on either video (in Youtube) without counter examples. Any explanation of why this video was not a germaine example of DC designs and where to find "good" designs is either going to be so long as to be unread (not the most people ever read the comments anyway), or will be isunderstood so as to seem like we have lots more of this kind of crap.

 

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