Bards in Dungeon Craft

[Nol Drek]

Orisons first appeared in the 2e book: Player's Option - Spells & Magic.

[Milos Gulan]

Ok, I am still missguided with that revised 1e PHB by Chris Perkins, there are Orisons there beside cantrips, somehow I am not sure as I think I saw them before but I can't remember when. Nm I guess Nol is right I am just confused as I have seen few examples of 1e references with Orisons beside cantrips.

[SilentThief]

I aggree w/ Nol. I think that the 1st edition enthusiasts "retroactively" added them in, because if I recall correctly orisons did not officially appear until 2nd edition

ST the retro

[manikus]

Thanks for the info, Nol. I ahve never used the Player Options in a P&P game and didn't think to look there.

I don't know who Chris Perksins is, but he/she didn't write any of the 1e rulebooks. When we do the Forgotten Realms 2e databases, somebody can feel free to add orisons if they would like.

Bards don't seem to be eliciting a lot of enthusiasm here...maybe I won't worry about them being in the default databases.
But, do not fear those who would like to use bards, as I will definitely be adding them. And Nol may be the most escited about this, but the whole reason I started on them was because they are needed for the Arthurian characters, because apparently King Arthur is a Paladin/Bard.

[Nol Drek]

apparently King Arthur is a Paladin/Bard.

Richard Burton isn't that great a singer... Robert Goulet, on the other hand...

I realize it will be a lot of work to add Bards. They are the inspiration (along with Monks) behind many of the so-called Prestige Classes. I would love to be able to choose "Bard" as my class at level 1, and then allow DC to inform me that I was a Bard (F1) or a Bard (F7/T1) or a Bard (F7/T5/B1) as game play progressed.

I wouldn't mind manually switching classes either, as in Knights of the Sword/Crown/Rose in DL, as long as I was informed of the option and not allowed to miss the opportunity to switch.

[manikus]

I plan on doing it the way you suggest, Nol. It makes it easier for both player and designer, if a bit more restrictive.

I would love to use a bard in a deign where the player could choose to switch classes, but that is a lot more work than I think people want to do "out of the box".

Off-topic, but related to the DragonLance reference, I have a folder in my databases folder for DragonLance...

[Uatu]

Some cantrips were capable of doing a total of 1 hp damage, I think!  Isn't that worth anything gamewise? 

[manikus]

Some cantrips were capable of doing a total of 1 hp damage, I think!  Isn't that worth anything gamewise? 

Not in 1e. The insstructions are very specific that they cannot do damage.